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CorporateTiger
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Aka the Streisand Effect


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cajunangelle
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz will never win any of the libel Northeastern states or West coast states.

At least Trump has a chance to win some of those states as well as the traditional Conservative states if the dumb fricks in the Republican Party who are saying they won't vote for Trump swallow their pride and vote for him.

Trump 2016!


There is no math for Cruz. WI is his last state. Even if Cruz won NY and CA. could he mathematically win?


DawgfaninCa
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Speaking of which, why hasn't Ted threatened to sue the National Enquirer for their purportedly false story?


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From my experience (running campaigns in Iowa for 3 presidential cycles), it is better to let a story like that peter out than to give it legs of a law suit.

Bringing a suit gives the false story more legitimacy than answer a few questions and moving on. If there is a suit it takes resources and time better spent on the real goal plus discovery would be messy...



From my experience in life, not suing gives the false story more legitimacy then if you sue.

People will assume you are not suing because the story is true.


WeeWee
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz will never win any of the liberal Northeastern states or West coast states.


Neither will Trump. Clinton is up 20 points on Trump in NY and 21 points on Cruz. Clinton is also up on Trump in Pa, and Wi. However, Cruz and Clinton are tied in Wi. So Wi is not a liberal northeast state, but it is a purplish midwestern state that makes the path much easier.

Cruz doesn't need the left coast or the northeast. Cruz would need the states Romney won in '12, Fl and Ohio (duh) and then Colorado and Va, or Co, Ia, and NV. Either one of those combos puts Cruz in the Oval office.

From the most recent polls:
Cruz up big on Clinton in Colorado
Cruz and Clinton are within MOE in general election nationwide polls.

So even though polling data is old for Co, and polls this early "all the evidence" points to Cruz having easier shot at winning the GE than Trump. Plus Cruz is not as likely to shoot the ticket in the foot with his mouth, and gives the GOP the best shot at keeping the senate, even though I personally say f**k the senate go for the WH.


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udtiger
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Cruz also has plenty of time to sue the NE and may very well do so if he does not get the nomination or loses in the general.

Keeping eye on the prize right now.


Chris Warner
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Cruzz? Going nowhere


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Mephistopheles
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Speaking of which, why hasn't Ted threatened to sue the National Enquirer for their purportedly false story?


Same reason the British Royal Family do not sue the people who claim they are actually lizards inside human bodies.


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Louisianimal83
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Member since Jan 2009
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
That Uncle Fester looking bastard Ted Cruz isn't doing shite


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11thACR
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Member since Mar 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
How does that match up to what the voters or thinking ???
I'd say they are more likely on the Tic-Tac-Toe page.


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BCS Statmaster
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
... Monopoly


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Fox Mulder
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Because of the "actual malice" standard in First Amendment law. Cruz is a "public figure," and so discussions about him are a matter of public concern, and thus to win in a defamation claim, Cruz has to prove the defendant acted with "actual malice."


bingo, the public figure exception is a bitch. proving malicious intent is hard enough when you're not a public figure


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Fox Mulder
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Because of the "actual malice" standard in First Amendment law. Cruz is a "public figure," and so discussions about him are a matter of public concern, and thus to win in a defamation claim, Cruz has to prove the defendant acted with "actual malice."


bingo, the public figure exception is a bitch. proving malicious intent is hard enough when you're not a public figure. Moreover, the smarter play is to let unsubstantiated allegations be forgotten rather than keeping them in the news cycle
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Seldom Seen
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Member since Feb 2016
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe




Is that why he's losing to TRUMP? These melts are growing so tedious.


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DawgfaninCa
Georgia Fan
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Moreover, the smarter play is to let unsubstantiated allegations be forgotten rather than keeping them in the news cycle


Bull shite.

Whether you are a public figure or an ordinary person, if someone accused you of a crime that you didn't commit or falsely disparaged your reputation and you don't sue or publicly deny the falsehoods then most people are going to think you are not suing or publicly denying the falsehoods because you are guilty of the crime or disparagement of your reputation.

For example, what if someone went around and told people or printed the falsehood that you beat your wife or embezzled money from the company you work for?

Are you telling me that you wouldn't sue them or at least publicly deny the falsehood but just hope that the unsubstantiated allegations are eventually forgotten?



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WeeWee
USA Fan
Member since Aug 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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There is no math for Cruz. WI is his last state. Even if Cruz won NY and CA. could he mathematically win?




If you bothered reading the link you would know that there is. It is a slim shot, but still a shot. Cruz's best option is to win the convention. Cruz has been working delegates since atleast Super Tuesday, and if he and Trump keep rule 40 in place that means it will only be Trump and Cruz eligible to win the nomination. Add in Cruz's delegates and the other GOP delegates and he wins the nomination on the 2nd ballot.

If Cruz wins Wi, then Trump more than likely does not get the 1273 needed either. Why do you think he is making such a big deal out of the Rubio delegates from La? If the results pan out like the "experts" expect Trump will finish with around 1265 delegates. That is why the thread is titled Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing Tic Tac Toe. Cruz has been strategizing and working behind the scenes while Trump has been out running his mouth.


DawgfaninCa
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Member since Sep 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz also has plenty of time to sue the NE and may very well do so if he does not get the nomination or loses in the general.


If the allegation is false then I hope Cruz does eventually sue and win but until he does sue and win many people will think he hasn't sued because the allegation is true.
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Fox Mulder
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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For example, what if someone went around and told people or printed the falsehood that you beat your wife or embezzled money from the company you work for?


Am I in the middle of an election to become a party's nominee for President of the United States in this scenario?

Because unsubstantiated claims leave and something else comes along, I wouldn't sue anyone and keep the attention focused on the allegations and cause even more damage to myself


Lsupimp
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Bookmarked to bump when The Establishment inevitably nominates someone not named Cruz.


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ManBearTiger
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz has a better chance of winning the Trumptards over than Clinton does of winning the Sandersscum over.



This is clinically delusional and your other two points are only mildly less, but still almost wholly, inane.


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DawgfaninCa
Georgia Fan
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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For example, what if someone went around and told people or printed the falsehood that you beat your wife or embezzled money from the company you work for?


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Am I in the middle of an election to become a party's nominee for President of the United States in this scenario?


I am talking about you and your real life.

However, the same thing applies to someone running for POTUS.

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Because unsubstantiated claims leave and something else comes along, I wouldn't sue anyone and keep the attention focused on the allegations and cause even more damage to myself


Publicly denying that you committed a crime or publicly defending your reputation by suing someone who falsely claimed you committed a crime or did something legal that disparaged your reputation is not going to cause more damage to yourself and your reputation.

However, not publicly denying that you committed a crime or not publicly defending your reputation by suing someone who falsely claimed you committed a crime or did something legal that disparaged your reputation is definitely going to cause damage to yourself and your reputation.

That's why Cruz had no choice but to deny the allegation printed in the NE.

However, because it is very hard for a public figure to win a libel or slander lawsuit even when the allegation is false is why Trump wants to change the libel and slander laws (not the US Constitution) to make it easier for a public figure to win a libel or slander lawsuit when the allegation is false.




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