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re: No one wants to host the Olympics
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:04 pm to POTUS2024
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:04 pm to POTUS2024
The cities which do well tend to have venues already in place for most sports and plans for the use of any new facilities afterward.
LA, for example, still has facilities dating back to their first Olympics in the Great Depression which get used whenever they host a new set of Games.
The Sochi games, OTOH, were such a clusterfrick that they pretty much exemplified the “You had one job!” meme.
LA, for example, still has facilities dating back to their first Olympics in the Great Depression which get used whenever they host a new set of Games.
The Sochi games, OTOH, were such a clusterfrick that they pretty much exemplified the “You had one job!” meme.
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:08 pm to JimTiger72
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Looks like plenty of interest for 2030 & 2034 Winter Olympics.
Salt Lake City
Stockholm
Switzerland
France
Winter Olympics are a smaller undertaking and can more easily be repurposed. Figure skating can be done in any hockey arena. Ski venues can be converted to ski resorts.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:41 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Just take soccer out of the Olympics. On the men’s side, the Olympics ranks behind the World Cup, Euros / Copa America, and maybe even behind the Confederations Cup for national team tournaments. The men aren’t even sending their best players because of the U-23 age restrictions.
Hold other events like soccer in the off years.
In what other Olympic sport is the Olympics the 3rd or 4th most prestigious event that your country’s national team can compete in every 4 years?
Getting rid of soccer also reduces the number of large stadiums needed for a host city / country.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 12:01 am to POTUS2024
I think the Olympics would lose a lot of cachet if they were always held in the same country. Especially the US which has great nature but doesn’t have aesthetically pleasing cities.
It seems like they could significantly drop the cost and increase revenue by playing over a long time period. Smaller Olympic village by spreading out athlete arrivals, less venues because of more calendar space at each venue, more tv revenue from more broadcasts.
The other thing is poorer countries that host shouldn’t try to construct facilities on par with Western European, American, or East Asian facilities. Brazil didn’t need 12 pristine facilities to host a World Cup. It needed 1 elite venue and 11 more group of five quality stadiums with mostly bleacher seats.
It seems like they could significantly drop the cost and increase revenue by playing over a long time period. Smaller Olympic village by spreading out athlete arrivals, less venues because of more calendar space at each venue, more tv revenue from more broadcasts.
The other thing is poorer countries that host shouldn’t try to construct facilities on par with Western European, American, or East Asian facilities. Brazil didn’t need 12 pristine facilities to host a World Cup. It needed 1 elite venue and 11 more group of five quality stadiums with mostly bleacher seats.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 12:06 am to wildtigercat93
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As you stated, mainly related to the fact that the Olympics have been known to wreck havoc on the local economy and often promises made about the infrastructure improvements go either undone, half finished or abandoned immediately after the games.
There’s a ton of stadiums and structures out there that are already either defunt or tore down from recent Olympic events and the windfall of the Olympic revenue doesn’t out weigh the severe short and long term impacts to the region
Yeah, just look at Sarejevo. Place was a total wreck within 8 or 10 years of hosting the Winter Olympics.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:08 am to POTUS2024
The games don’t have even close to the meaning they used to have….
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:23 am to POTUS2024
People say this, but if COVID hadn't messed it up the last Olympics in Tokyo would have been awesome and wouldn't have had wasted facilities. London in 2012 was fine, and Paris and Los Angeles will be fine.
Brazil was a bit of a mess, but they were trying to double up after the World Cup in 2014 and didn't do a good job of multi-purposing what they built.
The bidding process has to deal with the general corruption of the IOC, though, and that is a problem going forward.
Brazil was a bit of a mess, but they were trying to double up after the World Cup in 2014 and didn't do a good job of multi-purposing what they built.
The bidding process has to deal with the general corruption of the IOC, though, and that is a problem going forward.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:23 am to POTUS2024
The idea has been floated before to only host the Olympics in four or five rotating cities around the world that already have the infrastructure. No more bid process, just a rotation around predetermined global host sites.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 6:14 am to CollegeFBRules
NFL owners bitch about needing a new stadium every 12-15 years, the idea that keeping the same cities will reduce costs is kinda goofy to me. If you had a 4-5 city rotation by the time it came back around it would still need major upgrades.
Greece is laughable, they are bankrupt. Athens is a mess.
I’m excited for the games to start, not like it’s the Super Bowl or my team made the playoffs. But I’m looking forward to it.
Maybe we are just trying too hard to make it something it doesn’t have to be?
Greece is laughable, they are bankrupt. Athens is a mess.
I’m excited for the games to start, not like it’s the Super Bowl or my team made the playoffs. But I’m looking forward to it.
Maybe we are just trying too hard to make it something it doesn’t have to be?
Posted on 7/23/24 at 6:52 am to POTUS2024
They are gonna move to a 4-5 city/country rotation.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 7:40 am to POTUS2024
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In many locations, they build massive facilities but they aren't used after the games are done - white elephant phenomenon... It was thought for many years that hosting would produce an increase in tourism in the future and that has turned out to be false...
I agree with you, but Knoxville is a terrible example to use. Cities like LA, Chicago, Atlanta, New York, Miami, Dallas, Houston, and Phoenix make sense. College towns do not.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 8:27 am to POTUS2024
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Often this means building an Olympic village which is a real problem.
We can just house the athletes in housing projects. That'll take the burden off the host city!
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:00 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I agree with you, but Knoxville is a terrible example to use. Cities like LA, Chicago, Atlanta, New York, Miami, Dallas, Houston, and Phoenix make sense. College towns do not.
Any city with multiple professional teams and maybe even a college or 2 would work. New Orleans isn't a huge city but we have the Superdome, The Arena, The Shrine on Airline, Yulman, Turchin, The lakefront arena, Tad Gormley, the alario center, and the convention center that can all host events. Bayou St. John or the lake could host the rowing stuff and cocnut beach could host the sand volleyball. They would all need some upgrades and maybe capacity wouldn't match what's normal but the ability is there. If our small city has that much to offer, I bet bigger cities could easily figure it out.
Like others have said, they could make it regional and have New Orleans, Houston, Austin, Dallas, and Atlanta all host one year and the have the midwest host another year, then the east coast another year, and then the west coast another year.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:14 am to Jack Ruby
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The US is the only country in the world that can host every Olympic games with ease.
No other nation, and its not even close, has the facilities in place to host especially Summer games in one city or region.
I didn't realize that the 32 games were in Brisbane.
I'm sure between Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne, they would have a lot of the venues covered (although not as clear as the US obviously)
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:37 am to POTUS2024
Should only be hosted in countries that have the existing infrastructure/stadiums to do so.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 11:14 am to usc6158
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LA is building no new facilities, just updated existing ones. It’s why softball and whitewater are in OKC
Going down the rabbit hole of the ATL Olympics... Leading to other sites. The 84 Olympics in LA made nearly 250mm because of the existing infrastructure.
ATL was criticized for it's "commercialism" but at the end of the show... It made about 20mm. Others have been deep deep in the red which has changed the perception some on ATLs commercialism
So a "profitable" Olympics is possible, you just need either/both existing infrastructure or massive commercial sponsorship
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:28 pm to JimTiger72
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Looks like plenty of interest for 2030 & 2034 Winter Olympics.
They're selecting the 2030 winter olympics host tomorrow fwiw.
It's way easier to host the winter olympics. It's a smaller event with much fewer events. These cities near ski towns already have the winter infrastructure.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:39 pm to POTUS2024
I wish Greece would go classic half way between adjacent summer games.
Proposed: in 2026 2030 and every four years a competition in events from the original games: running, javelin, etc. Nothing requiring machines, ramps, music (aside from drums and flutes, maybe)
This would limit the venues needed and anyone could practice at home.
Simple. The only difference: clothing mandatory,
No trotting a series of torches around the globe, With all the self importance of "I accompanied the torch in 199x on mile xxx,x for a distance of 50 yards."
Proposed: in 2026 2030 and every four years a competition in events from the original games: running, javelin, etc. Nothing requiring machines, ramps, music (aside from drums and flutes, maybe)
This would limit the venues needed and anyone could practice at home.
Simple. The only difference: clothing mandatory,
No trotting a series of torches around the globe, With all the self importance of "I accompanied the torch in 199x on mile xxx,x for a distance of 50 yards."
Posted on 7/24/24 at 8:47 pm to POTUS2024
LA hosting in the upcoming environment they will be so broke its not even going to be funny but hell most SEC schools could host with the facilities in place. without spending billions
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