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Luck: A Leciester story, looking back on the 15/16 Season

Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted by MLSter
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:50 pm
I couldn't have been more right.

I told yall from day one that it was the luckiest thing I ever saw. They got lucky in every aspect of every game they played in.


I also told yall Mahrez was bad.

I also said Vardy was average and that he was having a fluke/ one off season.


And you might argue and say yeah but it was still a great Cinderella story, good for the league blah blah blah but it wasn't. Winning with luck has not changed the league one bit and leaping praise on them as a Cinderella story takes away from teams like Watford, Swansea(to a lesser extent recently) Chapecoense, and RB Leipzig( although i do get the hate) who all have great stories themselves.
Posted by RebelVol
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:53 pm to
Maaaannnnnn someone is rustled this afternoon
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

Winning with luck has not changed the league one bit and leaping praise on them as a Cinderella story takes away from teams like Watford, Swansea(to a lesser extent recently) Chapecoense, and RB Leipzig( although i do get the hate) who all have great stories themselves.

This is one of the stupidest sentences I've ever seen on here, and that's saying something.

Like, I don't even know how you could begin to explain this nonsense.

You're saying that a team that won the Premier League *last season* takes away the spotlight from...

- A team that is currently 14th in the Premier League

- Your team, which sucks (don't try to sneak them in here and couch it with "not as much anymore," slick)

- A Brazilian team that had ALMOST EVERYBODY DIE IN A PLANE CRASH the next season

- A German team that is making a run in the Bundesliga thanks to some loopholes and a lot of cash

What does Leicester winning last season have to do with any of these, other than you trying to downplay their accomplishment because you're still salty as all hell?

This is such a stupid thread.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted by jackwoods4
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:23 pm to
It's pretty hard to replace the greatest central midfielder in the world.
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:39 pm to
first off jimmies not rustled, i have been wanting to start this thread for a while because i made these point last year and was given shite and wanted to rub it in that i was right



Now to WSE, you just proved my point. everyone will look at liecester and remember them for a title win but no one will look at the other teams.

Watford- sure they are 14th but what you failed to point is that new teams like Bournemouth and Burnley are higher ranked, which again proves you aren't paying attention to smaller teams that are becoming successful through reasonable sustainable means, but you will remember Leicester won

yes my team is arse but its a shining example of what Big money can do, the club rose through the ranks because of smart safe buys, playing attractive football "the Swansea way" and listening to the fans, in recent season we went away from that and are struggling. But again you don't know that story all you see is the table, but you will remember Leicester won


That Brazilian team died in a plane crash? is that all they did? they didn't climb through the leagues and reach a semi final of a continental tournament? they didn't inspire hope in a small city? but let me guess, you knew Leicester won


German team may not have been the best example, but you do know about the setup, and you do know why achieving success that way diminishes the true success. So you should be able to see how winning a title through pure luck is not as good as winning on merit and platform.


So in short everyone knows Leicester won but it was a fluke lucky season. No one know or appreciates the stories of these other teams, the work they do to stay up and how they try to do it in a way that makes the locals happy and keeps the club safe, both financially and in the table.
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:42 pm to
I agree, but doesn't change the fact mahrez is trash

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

Chapecoense


Your posting privileges should be taken away.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:50 pm to
Why? Did i spell it wrong
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:59 pm to
(cracks knuckles)

quote:

first off jimmies not rustled, i have been wanting to start this thread for a while because i made these point last year and was given shite and wanted to rub it in that i was right

Huge difference between these two, I'm sure.

quote:

Now to WSE, you just proved my point. everyone will look at liecester and remember them for a title win but no one will look at the other teams.

what

I just

I just looked at the other teams

You can't be this dense

quote:

Watford- sure they are 14th but what you failed to point is that new teams like Bournemouth and Burnley are higher ranked, which again proves you aren't paying attention to smaller teams that are becoming successful through reasonable sustainable means, but you will remember Leicester won

Let's go through what just happened here.

"What about Watford?"
Watford is not doing so hot this year.
"Well, why didn't you say something about Bournemouth and Burnley?"
... we were talking about Watford, weren't we?
"You aren't paying attention to smaller teams!"
How did you get that from the fact that I didn't mention two teams that we weren't even talking about? I'm well aware of what Bournemouth and Burnley are doing this season. I watch the Premier League regularly.

You're making a lot of assumptions about what I know and think, and you can't do that. You're not SCH. Get in line.

quote:

yes my team is arse but its a shining example of what Big money can do, the club rose through the ranks because of smart safe buys, playing attractive football "the Swansea way" and listening to the fans, in recent season we went away from that and are struggling.

I know all of this...

quote:

But again you don't know that story all you see is the table, but you will remember Leicester won

...do you think I only have the capacity to think of one team at a time? WTF is this? And again, quit trying to tell me what I know and what I think. It's the dumbest thing people do on the Internet. You don't know me.

quote:

That Brazilian team died in a plane crash? is that all they did? they didn't climb through the leagues and reach a semi final of a continental tournament? they didn't inspire hope in a small city? but let me guess, you knew Leicester won

Well, the plane crash is how a lot of people found out about their story, sadly. Forgive me for not knowing the ins and outs of the Brazilian league. But I know their story. You comparing them to the rest of these teams is misguided at best and tasteless at worst.

quote:

German team may not have been the best example, but you do know about the setup, and you do know why achieving success that way diminishes the true success. So you should be able to see how winning a title through pure luck is not as good as winning on merit and platform.

Awesome, thanks for allowing me to know something that isn't Leicester. I hope my brain can handle that extra information. It'll be tough.

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So in short everyone knows Leicester won but it was a fluke lucky season.

Sure.

quote:

No one know or appreciates the stories of these other teams, the work they do to stay up and how they try to do it in a way that makes the locals happy and keeps the club safe, both financially and in the table.

This is so wrong. But you do you, man.

I knew these teams and their stories. A lot of people on here do, too. I have no idea what kind of fan you're railing against, because they're not on here.

You comparing these random teams to Leicester in the OP didn't make sense, and now it makes less sense. (Watford and Swansea are still hilariously bad comparisons, no matter how much you try to explain it away.)

I'm sorry I didn't write down everything I knew about each of your teams in my first reply. I didn't know I was being quizzed, professor.
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

first off jimmies not rustled, i have been wanting to start this thread for a while because i made these point last year and was given shite and wanted to rub it in that i was right


So, you've been watching, waiting, lurking ever since last May to post this thread in some sort of "vindication." Oh, I'd say your jimmies are quite rustled, my good fellow
Posted by JollyGreenGiant
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:08 pm to
Nothing makes me cringe more than a good "I told you so" post.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:12 pm to
No one expected them to repeat, but your post is really ignorant.
Posted by TheZaba
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

No one know or appreciates the stories of these other teams, the work they do to stay up and how they try to do it in a way that makes the locals happy and keeps the club safe, both financially and in the table
So they're supposed to get more credit for staying up than Leicester? What?

Sure, they may have gotten lucky, but they won. In a 38 match season. Everyone always says, "I love how there's no playoff. You can't luck your way into some elimination tournament. You have to win over a long stretch." Well, Leicester did that.

And for situations like this, I love the saying - good luck is when hard work meets opportunity. That's exactly what Leicester did. They worked hard. They had opportunity. And they took advantage of it. They'll be rightfully remembered as Premier League Champions. They won't be remembered as the best champions of all time, but they're still champions nonetheless.
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
3966 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

So, you've been watching, waiting, lurking ever since last May to post this thread in some sort of "vindication." Oh, I'd say your jimmies are quite rustled, my good fellow


no haha every now and then( while watching Leicester crumble) I think oh I should make a post about me being right, but never do. then this am I wrote something in the Swansea thread about giving up unlucky goals, then I decided I would make the post. Honestly not but hurt at all, just wanted to troll


which leads me to WSE
(uncracks knuckles)
I wanted to get the most jimmies rustled for the troll so I had to somehow put a spin on all the things you listed(which were calling out all the fallacies in my op)
I am way to busy( read lazy) to keep trying so I will admit defeat and a failed troll job.

I still have a lot to learn from the likes of Mizzoukills and others.


However, it is still true that it was the luckiest thing to ever happen.



Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:29 pm to
You should have spent more time in the last nine months fleshing out your arguments. I just fail to see how giving credit to LC for winning the Prem somehow diminishes the amount of respect I can have for any other club, or, as you seem to be saying, outright disrespects what other clubs are doing.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70433 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

I told yall from day one that it was the luckiest thing I ever saw. They got lucky in every aspect of every game they played in.


I also told yall Mahrez was bad.

I also said Vardy was average and that he was having a fluke/ one off season.



You also said you could make an MLS roster one time, what's your endgame?
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
3966 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Sure, they may have gotten lucky, but they won. In a 38 match season. Everyone always says, "I love how there's no playoff. You can't luck your way into some elimination tournament. You have to win over a long stretch." Well, Leicester did that.


Now I agree that that is what usually happens, and is one of my favorite features of the league but last year was not the case. And I get why people have a hard time believing it.

quote:

And for situations like this, I love the saying - good luck is when hard work meets opportunity. That's exactly what Leicester did. They worked hard. They had opportunity. And they took advantage of it.[quote]


I would love to think that is true but its just not. There are games where teams out work and put play the other team but still lose because of luck going the other way.



[quote] They'll be rightfully remembered as Premier League Champions. They won't be remembered as the best champions of all time, but they're still champions nonetheless.


No doubt, im not saying #notmychampions but I will not consider them as equals with other champions.
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
3966 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

what's your endgame?

That the truth is let free


quote:

You also said you could make an MLS roster one time

do you watch MLS? did you watch it a couple years ago? I know like 3 other people that could make a roster if they tried
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

No doubt, im not saying #notmychampions but I will not consider them as equals with other champions.



Why? They did certain things incredibly well. Their low block game was the best of any teams since Mourinho's Chelsea in 2005. They aren't a great champion, but neither was Man U in Fergie's last season, nor Chelsea in Mourinho's championship year. Leicester's victory was more an indication of the piss poor attacking play that has characterized the PL since I'd say 2010. The last team to be truly great in its attacking play and also win the championship was Ancelotti's Chelsea. It isn't Leicester's fault that teams couldn't break them down. It's literally what they did every game. If they had Kante, who is a once in a lifetime defensive midfielder, they would still be incredibly hard to break down.

This season the attacking and possession game has been much better than previous seasons. I think 2015-2016 was the worst year for attacking play since I've watched the PL (around 2003). I would argue that 2014-2015 was as bad a year as well.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14054 posts
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:58 pm to
Wasn't Luck, the breaks fell their way.

This year, the goals that went in are hitting the post, or 2 inches wide. The break away by Vardy is being stopped, a leg is deflecting a kick.

The lack of depth, was going to kill them this season, especially being in Europe.

Their losses were big in the transfer season, they lost an anchor man who was critical to their plans and game plan.

You sell any anchor men from a MidMajorish club, and it is 10XX worse than a top team losing 3 or 4 players. They can replace their losses, Teams like Leicester can only hope to find a player who can be some sort of equal to that guy.


What they did last season was great, they played with passion, they gave it all out on the pitch.

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