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DawgfaninCa
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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If Cruz wins Wi, then Trump more than likely does not get the 1273 needed either.


1237 not 1273 is the number needed to get the GOP nomination.

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If the results pan out like the "experts" expect Trump will finish with around 1265 delegates.


Then according to the "experts", if the results pan out, Trump will have enough delegates to win the GOP nomination.

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That is why the thread is titled Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing Tic Tac Toe.


As I posted earlier, Trump is playing GO and Cruz is playing checkers.

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Cruz has been strategizing and working behind the scenes while Trump has been out running his mouth.


You should learn the number of delegates needed to win the GOP nomination before you start running your mouth.
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CadesCove
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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if the dumb fricks in the Republican Party who are saying they won't vote for Trump swallow their pride and vote for him.


Why wouldn't they just vote for Hillary? Both candidates have the same policies if you look at what they have consistently said in the past. Just because Trump is trying to bull shite people into believing he is a Republican all of a sudden does not make him one.


DawgfaninCa
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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if the dumb fricks in the Republican Party who are saying they won't vote for Trump swallow their pride and vote for him.


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Why wouldn't they just vote for Hillary? Both candidates have the same policies if you look at what they have consistently said in the past. Just because Trump is trying to bull shite people into believing he is a Republican all of a sudden does not make him one.


You are a dumb frick.


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Hawkeye95
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz can and will beat Clinton.


Cruz can't even beat Trump

exactly. I think Cruz would fair better than trump in the general but not by much.


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Five0
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Speaking of which, why hasn't Ted threatened to sue the National Enquirer for their purportedly false story?


Because he is a public figure. Unlike another public figure, he knows the law and has not called for an outright restriction on the 1st Amendment protections of the Press.


DawgfaninCa
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Speaking of which, why hasn't Ted threatened to sue the National Enquirer for their purportedly false story?


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Because he is a public figure. Unlike another public figure, he knows the law and has not called for an outright restriction on the 1st Amendment protections of the Press.


Bull shite.

Trump has not called for an "outright restriction on the 1st Amendment protections of the Press".

All Trump did was suggest the need to change the libel laws not the US Constitution in order for it to be easier for a public figure to win a libel lawsuit against a member of the press who knowingly publishes a falsehood about the public figure.


Five0
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Okay.

You're welcome.

New York Times Co. v. Sullivan


Duzz
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
So what you are saying is that Ted Cruz need to play a complicated game of baiting and trapping to win while all Trump need to do is defeat you in three easy moves?

Sounds about right.

Republican Establishment tends to over complicate things.


DawgfaninCa
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Ignore this post.
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DawgfaninCa
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Okay.

You're welcome.

New York Times Co. v. Sullivan


It would be nice if you quoted which one of my posts on this thread you are responding to so I could get some idea what the lawsuit deals with before having to read it because it takes a long time for my old computer to go to some links.

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chalmetteowl
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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So what you are saying is that Ted Cruz need to play a complicated game of baiting and trapping to win while all Trump need to do is defeat you in three easy moves?

Sounds about right.


You can win in chess, but a well played tic tac toe game always ends without a winner


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mmcgrath
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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It would be nice if you quoted which one of my posts on this thread you are responding to so I could get some idea what the lawsuit deals with before having to read it because it takes a long time for my old computer to go to some links.
You can check the post it refers to by clicking on your name in his post. The basis of actual malice vs intended malice is based on Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution.


DawgfaninCa
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Member since Sep 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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New York Times Co. v. Sullivan



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Synopsis of Rule of Law. The constitutional guarantees require a federal rule that prohibits a public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood relating to his official conduct unless he proves that the statement was made with actual malice – that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.


I haven't been able to read the entire lawsuit yet but from the Synopsis of Rule of Law law it appears that lawsuit deals only with a public official not public figures who are not a public official.

Until Trump is a public official this lawsuit doesn't apply to him personally and the change he is suggesting is to slander and libel laws not the US Constitution.

I'm on page one and it appears the jury found in favor of Sullivan because the false statement in the paper was libelous per se even though Sullivan was not specifically named in the article.

The SCOTUS disagreed and one reason was "...the evidence was constitutionally defective in another respect: it was incapable of supporting the jury’s finding that the allegedly libelous statements were made of and concerning the Plaintiff."

The SCOTUS also stated:

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* Safeguards for freedom of speech and of the press are required by the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution (Constitution) in a libel action brought by a public official against critics of his official conduct.
* Under Alabama law, a publication is libelous per se if the words tend to injure a person in his reputation or to bring him into public contempt. The jury must find that the words were published of and concerning the plaintiff. Once libel per se has been established, the defendant has no defense as to stated facts unless he can persuade the jury that they were true in all their particulars.
* Erroneous statement is inevitable in free debate and it must be protected if the freedoms of expression are to have the breathing space that the need to survive.
* The constitutional guarantees require a federal rule that prohibits a public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood relating to his official conduct unless he proves that the statement was made with actual malice – that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.
* The Supreme Court of the United States (Supreme Court) holds that the Constitution delimits a State’s power to award damages for libel in actions brought by public officials against critics of their official conduct. In this case, the rule requiring proof of actual malice is applicable.
* The Defendant’s failure to retract the advertisement upon the Plaintiff’s demand is not adequate evidence of malice for constitutional purposes. Likewise, it is not adequate evidence of malice that the Defendant failed to check the advertisements accuracy against the news stories in the Defendant’s own files. Also, the evidence was constitutionally defective in another respect: it was incapable of supporting the jury’s finding that the allegedly libelous statements were made of and concerning the Plaintiff.
Concurrence. Justice Hugo Black (J. Black) argued that the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution do not merely “delimit” a State’s power to award damages, but completely prohibit a State from exercising such a power. The Defendant had an absolute, unconditional right to publish criticisms of the Montgomery agencies and officials.


The discussion stated:

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Discussion. In order for a public official to recover in a defamation action involving his official conduct, malice must be proved. Without the showing of malice, the Supreme Court felt that a defamation action in this case would severely cripple the safeguards of freedom speech and expression that are guaranteed in the First Amendment of the Constitution and applicable to the States via the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution.


This case only deals with public officials not public figures who are not public officials.

However, it does show that in order for a public figure who is a public official to win this type of libel case, it would be necessary to change the libel laws.

What point are you trying to make by citing this case?
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CorporateTiger
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Aren't you the self proclaimed expert on libel laws? And you haven't read NYT v. Sullivan?


DawgfaninCa
Georgia Fan
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Aren't you the self proclaimed expert on libel laws? And you haven't read NYT v. Sullivan?


Post where I said I was an "expert" on libel laws?

I haven't read every libel case in the USA that has been adjudicated but I have studied a lot of case Law and law books on libel and slander.

In Law School, is NYT v. Sullivan required reading when studying defamation?
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AlaTiger
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Member since Aug 2006
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Trump doesn't know what he doesn't know.

He is an amateur. And, this is the easy part.

I guess he'll just sue everybody and all that.


PsychTiger
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Charleston
Member since Jul 2004
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Cruz is such a great debater. Just an all around excellent debater.


Would you say he is master debater?


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DawgfaninCa
Georgia Fan
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
19355 posts

re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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It would be nice if you quoted which one of my posts on this thread you are responding to so I could get some idea what the lawsuit deals with before having to read it because it takes a long time for my old computer to go to some links.


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You can check the post it refers to by clicking on your name in his post.


Thanks for telling me that. I had no idea I could do that.


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The basis of actual malice vs intended malice is based on Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution.


The basis of actual malice vs intended malice is also based on Supreme Court interpretations of Libel and Slander laws as well as case law.
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wfallstiger
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
Checkers, not tic tac toe....:-)


DawgfaninCa
Georgia Fan
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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re: Cruz is playing chess and Trump is playing tic tac toe
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Checkers, not tic tac toe....:-)


No, Cruz plays checkers and Trump plays GO.


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