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re: Reports of over 20 young camp girls missing In TX floods
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:51 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:51 pm to loogaroo
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Why weren’t these girls moved sooner if they were worried on July 2nd
They were deploying people because they were worried about potential flooding in the area and people in general being at risk. That does not necessarily mean they were worried about 30+ foot storm surges getting people who were over a football field away from the river.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:10 pm to 257WBY
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Maybe that request was due to higher insurance rates if buildings were considered in the flood plain.
That would be the reasoning. It’s fairly common. My parents did it on their home. If the structures can be mapped out of the flood plain or a different flood plain then the rates go down. I don’t see anything nefarious about it. To my knowledge I don’t think it would have changed any safety protocols or requirements. Just reduced insurance rates.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 4:31 pm to hashtag
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It seems that right now, the general public is being sent data like a water hose wide open from 50 feet away. Just being sprayed with everything (whether useful or not) in a large swath of area that may or may not end up being affected. Hopefully, we will make significant strides in being able to minimize the communication and provide more accurate information. to a smaller amount of people.
IMO, it's a data problem, not a money or person problem. There's so much more data than ever before. But, it isn't understood at a precise enough level to provide meaningful alerts to the average person. So instead, we are just showering everyone with all kinds of things that don't mean a whole lot to those people.
100% I live about 1 mile from Cypress Creek. If you aren't familiar with Houston, Cypress Creek floods a lot. One family I know that lived near there flooded 7 times (3 the year of Harvey) before FEMA forced them to sell. My neighborhood does not flood. We had some minimal rising water during Allison and a bit more during Harvey...about halfway up my front yard. When we have just normal-bad thunderstorms...not seriously bad, I bet I get 2-3 alerts per hour. Flash flood alert, warning, thunderstorm warning, sometimes tornado warning. They seem constant. For the most part, I ignore them, because IMHO, I don't live where it floods, but it floods pretty darn near me. I personally think I'm ok. Harvey seems more catastrophic than I could have ever imagined. People 1.5 miles from me had 15 feet in their homes. But I guess at some point, I could be wrong. I could need to leave, but I'm not sure I'd pay enough attention.
This is the problem. Every single flood we have there are new areas that never flooded this bad in current memories. So we think they won't flood. But some always do.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:15 pm to LaLadyinTx
In Houston, and large metros like that, there’s so much new concrete that the runoff and drainages are always changing.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:41 pm to LaLadyinTx
a new funded watershed zone specifically for Cypress Creek passed in this past legislature HB1532
so more work will be done
so more work will be done
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:40 pm to OWLFAN86
Interesting article from KSAT
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Kerrville mayor says he wasn’t aware of state resources that Gov. Abbott said were in place ahead of flooding
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Kerrville’s mayor said he was unaware of any help sent by the state to his community ahead of the flood, a day after Gov. Greg Abbott said the state had “assets, resources and personnel” in place two days before a flood tore through the Hill Country, claiming 120 lives as of Wednesday evening.
“The state was aware that there was a possible serious flooding event days in advance and pre-positioned assets and resources and personnel,” Abbott said at a Tuesday press conference. “We originally pre-positioned those assets, personnel and resources on Wednesday. Then, when greater clarity was discerned on Wednesday, we moved them closer and made sure we had adequate supplies going into Friday. We were ready.”
The Texas Division of Emergency Management “activated” state emergency response resources across West Texas and the Hill Country on July 2, according to a TDEM press release. TDEM cited “heavy rainfall with the potential to cause flash flooding” and encouraged Texans to prepare for flooded roads and monitor weather forecasts.
The state agency listed a number of state agencies and Texas A&M services “available to support local flood response operations,” such as rescue boat teams, helicopters, and personnel to monitor road conditions.
Kerrville Mayor Joe Herring said during a press conference on Wednesday that he wasn’t aware of any resources or personnel sent to his area, although the TDEM had people in Kerrville after the floods struck his city.
“I haven't seen the governor’s remarks ... I don't know what resources TDEM had in place at that time,” Herring said.
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NWS officials said they communicated directly with local officials the night of the flood, but Herring said he wasn’t aware of the flooding until around 5:30 a.m. when the city manager called him. By that time, floodwaters were already meters high and parts of Highway 39 were flooded, limiting evacuation efforts.
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“The losing teams are the ones that try to point out who's to blame,” Abbott said. "The championship teams are the ones that say, ‘Don't worry about it, man, we got this.’”
“The way winners talk is not to point fingers, they talk about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions,” he later added.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:13 pm to LegendInMyMind
Doesn't sound like the mayor knew much of anything. As I posted before there was information out there days before about the potential of dangerous flooding, sounds like it was ignored by a lot of folks. Not saying it was willfully ignored, but for whatever the reason it was, and it cost a lot of people their lives.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:24 pm to 257WBY
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In Houston, and large metros like that, there’s so much new concrete that the runoff and drainages are always changing.
Actually, regulations require a drainage analysis that shows no change to runoff from existing conditions. That’s why you see so many lakes in new developments.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:31 pm to Mr Sausage
quote:those rules were StateReg,, afterHarvey Emmett got new stricter regulations for Harris,, But Montgomery County still operates under much looser restrictions and the water comes into Harris County on its way to the gulf
Actually, regulations require a drainage analysis that shows no change to runoff from existing conditions. That’s why you see so many lakes in new developments.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:04 am to OWLFAN86
Have they found any more bodies? At this point, I feel grateful every time I see that a body has been found, so families can bring their loved ones home.
There are some entire families missing and some folks who have most of their family missing. That has to be excruciating.
There are some entire families missing and some folks who have most of their family missing. That has to be excruciating.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:06 am to Gris Gris
I saw a post from one of the missing girls parents yesterday that her body had been found, I believe. I think there’s only 2-3 left that haven’t been located.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:24 am to whoa
That’s Camp Mystic only. Over 100 missing in Kerr County.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:31 am to 257WBY
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That’s Camp Mystic only. Over 100 missing in Kerr County.
Seeing anywhere from 150 to 180 still missing.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:47 am to Gris Gris
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Have they found any more bodies? At this point, I feel grateful every time I see that a body has been found, so families can bring their loved ones home.
I was on the ground all weekend, focusing on areas inaccessible to most because we had resources/capabilities others didn’t.
Most of the terrain we covered was extremely rugged. The water was still up and ripping in a lot of places that need to be checked by boat.
The number of recoveries has increased as more areas are accessible and bodies trapped below the surface are revealed.
Some will never be found. Ever.
Pictures don’t really do any of it justice. There are areas that were wiped clean and there are debris fields miles and miles down river.
It’s all a matter of volume. In cliffy areas, the volume was vertical. Debris 40ft up in the trees. In wider areas, the destruction was very broad. Mind-blowing width.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:23 am to sidewalkside
Hell every time I see that they found the body of a girl (or boy) i want to sob.
My teen daughter is at church camp this week. She seems so far away.
Sometimes I wish I was a robot.
My teen daughter is at church camp this week. She seems so far away.
Sometimes I wish I was a robot.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:27 am to Longhorn Actual
quote:this kills me...to never have closure for someone who got swept away.
Some will never be found. Ever.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:29 am to Chicken
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this kills me...to never have closure for someone who got swept away.
Absolutely. Sincerely do not wish that life on anyone.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:30 am to LegendInMyMind
Is it possible the Kerrville mayor had checked out for the long holiday weekend?
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:39 am to sidewalkside
Has the first lawsuit against Camp Mystic (and their insurance) been filed yet?
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:00 pm to Longhorn Actual
A video popped on my FB feed of a volunteer being interviewed about his day and he said that one way they are finding victims now is from the smell. It was hard to sleep last night thinking about that.
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