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re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:28 pm to HouseMom
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:28 pm to HouseMom
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Not necessarily for that age, but anyone in med school is already a high academic achiever. If the goal is to actually educate a child, he/she may need to reassess how they studied the first time and make sure they understand the concepts. This is how mastery is achieved.
Saying, for example, that Math Ch. 7 must be understood in 2 weeks time is purely subjective on the part of the teacher. Some kids need to redo it a few times before it sticks. That is, if learning the math is the real goal.
What do the student's that get it and don't need special ed do while you are coaching him?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:31 pm to DoUrden
And people wonder why a HS diploma isn’t worth shite anymore.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:33 pm to Joshjrn
ohh, i can go all day on this topic Joshua.
My wife and mother are teachers. I’m fairly familiar with the failed education system.
I’ll start off simple, there are no D’s and F’s to begin with nowadays, anyone who assumes there are…hasn’t been paying attention. The process to fail kids, makes it’s impossible and extremely extremely rare.
My wife and mother are teachers. I’m fairly familiar with the failed education system.
I’ll start off simple, there are no D’s and F’s to begin with nowadays, anyone who assumes there are…hasn’t been paying attention. The process to fail kids, makes it’s impossible and extremely extremely rare.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:34 pm to kywildcatfanone
One thing Louisiana has done better recently is creating pathways for non-college bound students. The pathways are focused on a career segment rather than college prep. The biggest problem with this is not many parents are willing to say little Johnny isn’t going to college and he needs to focus on a trade. And not many schools are willing to tell parents your kid isn’t college material.
To an extent I liked how Germany used to do it. At least this is how it was explained to me. After 9th grade you had to take an exam that determined whether you would continue in a university track or a trade track.
One more thing I will say is the US educates EVERYONE. China isnt educating SPED kids or low academics. Those kids are weeded out early and taught to work. It really is apples to oranges in many of these situations.
To an extent I liked how Germany used to do it. At least this is how it was explained to me. After 9th grade you had to take an exam that determined whether you would continue in a university track or a trade track.
One more thing I will say is the US educates EVERYONE. China isnt educating SPED kids or low academics. Those kids are weeded out early and taught to work. It really is apples to oranges in many of these situations.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:34 pm to DoUrden
Homework has gotten out of control. Perhaps I don't remember what it was like when I was young due to not really doing homework after 6th grade, but frick....my 11th grader has so much damn homework it's ridiculous. She comes home after a long day of school and is facing 2 hours of homework a night. And, of course, that leads to battles over doing it.
One more aspect of high school that is purely aimed at college prep and only college prep. I mean, my 11th grader will go to college, but this whole past year and a half coupled with an overwhelming workload, is quickly souring her on school. Not cool.
One more aspect of high school that is purely aimed at college prep and only college prep. I mean, my 11th grader will go to college, but this whole past year and a half coupled with an overwhelming workload, is quickly souring her on school. Not cool.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:36 pm to secondandshort
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And not many schools are willing to tell parents your kid isn’t college material.
Ascension and St Tammany Parish High Schools do this with a great program directing those kids to trades and preparing them well.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:37 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Homework has gotten out of control. Perhaps I don't remember what it was like when I was young due to not really doing homework after 6th grade,
I was in the EBR Magnet program from 4th-8th grade 1984-1988. Went to Buchanan and then McKinley Middle. These were feeders to BRHS Magnet Program.
I had hours of homework every night during those years. Was miserable and I don't think it made me smarter at all.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:39 pm to mikelbr
quote:This should be the normal process.
Ascension and St Tammany Parish High Schools do this with a great program directing those kids to trades and preparing them well.
It is insane that this isn’t something all school districts do.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:40 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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2 hours of homework a night. And, of course, that leads to battles over doing it.
That’s not unheard of, but like you said, you are a retard who didn’t bother so you wouldn’t know
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:48 pm to mikelbr
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I had hours of homework every night during those years. Was miserable and I don't think it made me smarter at all.
But did it make your dick harder?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 7:58 pm to DoUrden
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How in the hell do you think people make it to med school, divine selection, genetics, or people that do the work! We should hold them back so Johnny can retake his 2+2= test?
You answered your own question. There is a bell curve, whether you like it or not, and no amount of nurture can beat good old mother nature. Yes, some people of average intelligence can work very hard to become doctors, but it's not likely.
And little Bad-At-Math-Johnny can still become the best Johnny that he can be without sacrificing the education of the good doctor. These successes are not mutually exclusive, but for it to work requires reallocating ed resources.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:03 pm to Joshjrn
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It’s less about every kid getting a trophy and more about making sure we educate kids as much as we can while we have them as a captive audience
Do you truly believe the shite you post? They’re no more interested in educating these kids than they are in working more weekdays. They’re interested in indoctrination and lowering academic standards to the lowest common denominator possible. And by not failing anyone or grading papers or homework, they are producing future citizens who will be inferior to their global counterparts. Not to mention that these kids, should they ever enter the workforce, will have no concept of merit based advancement. They’ll think just showing up is enough cause that’s all they’ve ever had to do. It’s an abomination. And fools like you lap it up and rationalize it.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:06 pm to mikelbr
quote:ehhh... how much direction are they actually doing? Sure, they have the facilities, classes, etc., but are they really steering kids away from college and to the program in any meaningful way?
Ascension and St Tammany Parish High Schools do this with a great program directing those kids to trades and preparing them well.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:26 pm to Klark Kent
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ohh, i can go all day on this topic Joshua.
My wife and mother are teachers. I’m fairly familiar with the failed education system.
I’ll start off simple, there are no D’s and F’s to begin with nowadays, anyone who assumes there are…hasn’t been paying attention. The process to fail kids, makes it’s impossible and extremely extremely rare.
I'm not defending the current education system. I'm asking a simple question: what's the harm in letting kids redo assignments to improve their grade?
And a harder question: what does that say about the underlying theory behind why we have mandatory education in the first place?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:26 pm to el Gaucho
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Teachers are overworked as it is. It’s a 12 hour a day job
the horrrrah!Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:28 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Do you truly believe the shite you post? They’re no more interested in educating these kids than they are in working more weekdays. They’re interested in indoctrination and lowering academic standards to the lowest common denominator possible. And by not failing anyone or grading papers or homework, they are producing future citizens who will be inferior to their global counterparts. Not to mention that these kids, should they ever enter the workforce, will have no concept of merit based advancement. They’ll think just showing up is enough cause that’s all they’ve ever had to do. It’s an abomination. And fools like you lap it up and rationalize it.
I do believe what I post, just like you apparently believe that every aspect of society is a grand conspiracy against you and everything you hold dear. I imagine that's why we tend to reach an impasse rather quickly.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:28 pm to ThatMakesSense
quote:Imagine for a second... instead of keeping score, LSU simply changed the score on their website so they beat Alabama every year. Would you be proud of that? Would it make LSU a better football team?
And? This isn’t terrible.
The absolute avoidance of actually teaching children is stunning in it's naked shirking of reponsibility by the school system. They failed to educate the students. But instead of fixing that... they change the grades.
This is what they will do to the medical system when they get a hold of it... already making progress...
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:29 pm to DoUrden
So dumb. At what point are people going to start taking responsibility for themselves? Oh wait most people never will when you have an easy excuse.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:30 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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thinking common core math is dumb is very dumb
This note is the best for clowns like yourself.
Sums it up perfectly
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:40 pm to SDVTiger
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This note is the best for clowns like yourself.
I have no dog in the Common Core hunt, by I think the type of criticism lobbed is silly. Exercises like the one you posted aren't intended to replace "standard" math. It's intended to teach small children how to understand numbers and to do math in their head. They are taught the "standard" method later.
But the same idiots blathering on about Common Core can't manage to figure what something will cost at 35% off, or what a 15% tip is. Because sure, I can do 35% on paper, or I can do 10% in my head, multiply that number by 3 to get 30%, then take half of that original 10% number and add it on at the end to get 35%... which starts to sound a hell of a lot like what Common Core is trying to teach children to do...
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:41 pm
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