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re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:38 pm to ThatMakesSense
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:38 pm to ThatMakesSense
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So long as their is a lesson being taught on responsibility as well, what’s the big hooha?
They may never learn the difference between there and their?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:39 pm to Joshjrn
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Grading homework is pointless, and if the goal is to educate, giving kids the opportunity to study more and retake assignments makes sense in that context.
It’s less about every kid getting a trophy and more about making sure we educate kids as much as we can while we have them as a captive audience.
Yes, lets placate those that don't value education at the expense of those who do. Typical left wing drivel. LEts save everyone even if the successful suffer!
I hope this destroys public education. You absolutely have to have OBJECTIVE learning benchmarks.
It sounds like you people want to make all schools "alternative schools" whether people excel in it or not.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:39 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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and there are real life punishments and repercussions
you can't really teach those lessons in school without grades
Right. We’re not talking about entrusting a 15 yr old with executing a the framework of building a skyscraper. They’re talking about writing papers and learning algebra.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:40 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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They may never learn the difference between there and their?
Meh.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:40 pm to ThatMakesSense
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So long as their is a lesson being taught
I have one available for you right now.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yes, lets placate those that don't value education at the expense of those who do. Typical left wing drivel. LEts save everyone even if the successful suffer!
I don’t believe this is on point, at all. If the kids are going back to retake assignments and exams, how does that show they don’t value education? If a kid doesn’t give a shite, they don’t retake the assignment and they fail. How does this affect the other kids?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:43 pm to Joshjrn
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I don’t believe this is on point, at all. If the kids are going back to retake assignments and exams, how does that show they don’t value education?
What happened to putting in the work to pass it the first time, if you can do the work to pass it the 2nd time, then why couldn't you do it the first time?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:43 pm to Joshjrn
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If the kids are going back to retake assignments and exams,
Have you ever managed a classroom? With AP students, special ed students and regular students? There is no fricking way you have..
It just another marxist fairy tale that take us all to the bottom.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yes, lets placate those that don't value education at the expense of those who do. Typical left wing drivel. LEts save everyone even if the successful suffer!
The current system of education in America isn’t working. Go look for yourself on how far it’s dropped comparative to other countries. You’re cool with continuing that? Without change?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:44 pm to DoUrden
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The goal is to base grades on what students are learning, and remove behavior, deadlines and how much work they do from the equation.
That's awesome, because employers don't give a warm crap about any of those things.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:45 pm to Joshjrn
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Grading homework is pointless, and if the goal is to educate, giving kids the opportunity to study more and retake assignments makes sense in that context.
It’s less about every kid getting a trophy and more about making sure we educate kids as much as we can while we have them as a captive audience.
This is typical nonsense tossed out by those not living in the real world of education currently. The assumptions that they will study more and that they are a captive audience are completely erroneous.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:45 pm to DoUrden
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What happened to putting in the work to pass it the first time, if you can do the work to pass it the 2nd time, then why couldn't you do it the first time?
What happens here is teachers spend 80% of the time on 20% of the students who most likely should be in alternative school, while every other student suffers.
All your recourses go to these kids who retake work over and over.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:45 pm to ThatMakesSense
I understand why an idealist would agree with some of this. In principle, it kinda makes some sense.
Problem is… we live in the real world, and the reality is that all this will change is how many failing students are documented. This is a move to shield the education system from blame. Nothing more.
Just as many kids (or more) will be uneducated and ill prepared for life. There just won’t be a paper trail. In fact, they’ll get the same diploma as the kids who earned it.
Problem is… we live in the real world, and the reality is that all this will change is how many failing students are documented. This is a move to shield the education system from blame. Nothing more.
Just as many kids (or more) will be uneducated and ill prepared for life. There just won’t be a paper trail. In fact, they’ll get the same diploma as the kids who earned it.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:45 pm to DoUrden
So basically removing all the accountability many of these kids have these days since there is little to none in the homes? Let's see how that works out for our society.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:46 pm to Joshjrn
quote:I think most good teachers already do this, but there is still some penalty (not full credit) for the retake or make up assignment.
I don’t believe this is on point, at all. If the kids are going back to retake assignments and exams, how does that show they don’t value education? If a kid doesn’t give a shite, they don’t retake the assignment and they fail.
Just moving on to the next topic doesn’t accomplish the goal of educating for those that did poorly the first time through. There is certainly value to what you are suggesting.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:46 pm to tgrmeat
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So basically removing all the accountability
Remove personal accountability, make the system responsible.
Communism 101
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:46 pm to DoUrden
Nothing like dumbing everything down to the lowest common denominator. They will be consequences down the road though I'm not sure if anyone really cares any more, or very few
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:48 pm to Joshjrn
quote:And I argue that the idea of basing whether or not a student had sufficiently learned the material off of a subjective determination made by the single individual whose job and advancement is determined by how well their students perform is so incomprehensibly stupid that I am actually saddened by the fact that I have to spell that out.
Grading homework is pointless, and if the goal is to educate, giving kids the opportunity to study more and retake assignments makes sense in that context.
It’s less about every kid getting a trophy and more about making sure we educate kids as much as we can while we have them as a captive audience.
This idea that everything that has been working well for the previous 100+ years is somehow now wrong is insanity.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:48 pm to FredBear
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Nothing like dumbing everything down to the lowest common denominator.
Thats the idea.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:48 pm to mtntiger
quote:i tend to agree with this line of thinking, BUT education should not be training for corporate america.
That's awesome, because employers don't give a warm crap about any of those things.
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