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re: Faced with soaring Ds and Fs, schools are ditching the old way of grading
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:00 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:00 pm to Joshjrn
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What about this is going to drag down students any more than having AP students and special Ed students in the same classroom to begin with?
To start with Individual learning plans. YOu want 30 concurrent plans going on with no real way to measure learning, or even to know when certain students will master it? That's one fricked up classroom.
Remedial students usually have ILPs to begin with, and that's not easy to manage. Now, you're throwing in a bunch of subjective shite?
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:01 pm to High C
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True, the problem is that we’re not allowed to actually hold them to those expectations.
Because they’re kids.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:01 pm to High C
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True, the problem is that we’re not allowed to actually hold them to those expectations.
Absolutely, and for this, I empathize with public school teachers. Minimum 50%, unlimited extensions, and the inability to expel kids for being little shits is killing public education.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:02 pm to ThatMakesSense
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That’s the way to gripe! Blame your superiors.
You’re clueless.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:02 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Because they’re kids.
Fail them, let them keep trying.
Seems more reasonable than tying up all of your resources on a few people.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Not to mention that everyone is neglecting the fact that the person determining passage subjectively is the one person whose job depends on student passage.
To start with Individual learning plans. YOu want 30 concurrent plans going on with no real way to measure learning, or even to know when certain students will master it? That's one fricked up classroom.
This is so very dumb.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:A lot, but it’s a sliding scale that continues to be reduced as they age… IMO.
How many chances do you give kids?
quote:By bring a dedicated and creative teacher that isn’t a slave to convention and values learning over adherence to the system.
How do you mange lesson plans with such a warped system?
quote:Can’t you test what has been learned without using the numeric grade scale?
How do you measure learning?
quote:That’s the rub. I don’t think the concept of valuing learning of a numeric grade is bad, but as I said initially, at what cost to teaching some valuable life skills.
How do you hold anyone accountible?
I think there is a hybrid approach that is workable, but honestly, I think good educators have been finding ways to implement that for decades.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:03 pm to Scruffy
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Not to mention that everyone is neglecting the fact that the person determining passage subjectively is the one person whose job depends on student passage.
Oh absolutely.
Its retarded, and just to placate a few "activist."
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Seems more reasonable than tying up all of your resources on a few people.
Where is it being said that all other students will be held back because of one or a few students inadequacies?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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To start with Individual learning plans. YOu want 30 concurrent plans going on with no real way to measure learning, or even to know when certain students will master it? That's one fricked up classroom.
Remedial students usually have ILPs to begin with, and that's not easy to manage. Now, you're throwing in a bunch of subjective shite?
I’m not advocating for that. In fact, I’ve advocated against that in this thread. I don’t think the teacher should spend an extra minute of general class time going back over old material for individual students. The lesson plan should go on. But if a kid wants to study on their time, or come in for extra time with the teacher, etc, and then retake a previous assignment with a now increased level of mastery, why is that a bad thing?
Because having a single tanked exam grade can blow a semester. And once that happens, what’s the incentive for those borderline kids to do better going forward?
Again, what is our goal in regards to mandatory education?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:04 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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We'll destroy ourselves soon enough when we start graduating engineers that'll build stuff like this...
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:05 pm to WDE24
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I think there is a hybrid approach that is workable,
How would you measure success?
How would you deal with failure?
How much time do you want to spend with ONE student at the expense of everyone else?
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:05 pm to danilo
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China will destroy us
They don't even have to attack, just wait patiently and we'll destroy ourselves.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:06 pm to WDE24
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How do you measure learning? Can’t you test what has been learned without using the numeric grade scale?
No. Numbers are the best way to quantify achievement.
What we should have is a standardized, non multiple choice test given at the beginning and end of all school years blindly graded by teachers the week before and the week after school.
Yes it’s more work for teachers. Yes it’s more work for students, but it’s probably the best way to gauge achievement.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:07 pm to DoUrden
Just so I’m clear – the Democrats have been running virtually every inner-city school system for about 60 years. And now they want to claim that there is systemic racism in the schools.
Hmmmmmmmmm..... from a purely plain common f*cking sense perspective, there’s only one conclusion to be drawn – Democrats are a bunch of virolent f*cking RACIST.
Hmmmmmmmmm..... from a purely plain common f*cking sense perspective, there’s only one conclusion to be drawn – Democrats are a bunch of virolent f*cking RACIST.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:07 pm to Joshjrn
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Because having a single tanked exam grade can blow a semester. And once that happens, what’s the incentive for those borderline kids to do better going forward?
Classrooms have been using alternative testing for different learners for decades. One of the first things you learn in any pedagogy is various learning styles and how to reach them.
But now, they want no accountability? frick that.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Through demonstrating knowledge of the concepts being taught.
How would you measure success?
quote:Remedial learning, tutoring, retaking the class, trade school, etc. depending on age.
How would you deal with failure?
quote:I think you can provide additional opportunities for that student outside of interrupting the time spent educating the others.
How much time do you want to spend with ONE student at the expense of everyone else?
Fwiw, none of my posts have advocated for the system of the op. They’ve been quite the opposite. I do, however, recognize some value in focusing on the actual learning as opposed to a sole focus on the traditional grading scale.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:10 pm to WDE24
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Through demonstrating knowledge of the concepts being taught.
Testing'
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:10 pm to WDE24
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Through demonstrating knowledge of the concepts being taught.
Testing'
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Remedial learning, tutoring, retaking the class, trade school, etc. depending on age.
All in the current system already.
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Testing but not grading.
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