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re: Who was the MOST fiscally conservative POTUS in your lifetime?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:25 am to Penrod
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:25 am to Penrod
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Clinton was the beneficiary of a gigantic “peace dividend” that came from ending the Cold War.
There was also the tech impact. People were able to buy this new thing called a computer.
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Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:28 am to CrystalPreserves
Define ‘fiscally conservative’.
Because Clinton raised income taxes across the board (30% in his retroactive ‘93 tax hike bs) and increased federal spending (50% in 8 years).
He essentially redistributed wealth from top earners and corporations to government / social programs.
When the government raises taxes and increases spending, I don’t call that fiscally conservative, I call it lazy.
Because Clinton raised income taxes across the board (30% in his retroactive ‘93 tax hike bs) and increased federal spending (50% in 8 years).
He essentially redistributed wealth from top earners and corporations to government / social programs.
When the government raises taxes and increases spending, I don’t call that fiscally conservative, I call it lazy.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:32 am to CrystalPreserves
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The world is like a resort for them.
It shouldnt be
I treat my backyard as a resort and I am a happy man.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:35 am to Geekboy
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Under Clinton
and Newt Gingrich
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:35 am to Cheese Grits
Clinton.
Only because Newt Gingrich forced him to be.
Only because Newt Gingrich forced him to be.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:46 am to Onyx Aggie
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Unfortunately, I don't think a mixed government would work nearly as well today, because it would just be a non-stop shite show battle, rather than the compromise that worked in Clinton's favor.
Women in Congress/Senate in 1995: 56 (10.5%)
"" 2025: 155 (29%)
Posted on 5/9/26 at 8:56 am to Penrod
quote:Do you mean this in theory?
But the answer to the question in the OP is “Trump”.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:21 am to Cajun Cricket
quote:yep. Most acknowledge that without the Tech Boom, Clinton would have continued to oversee a deficit. The Tech Boom, along with increased taxes in 1993, gave Clinton a surplus until that bubble burst.
Define ‘fiscally conservative’.
Because Clinton raised income taxes across the board (30% in his retroactive ‘93 tax hike bs) and increased federal spending (50% in 8 years).
He essentially redistributed wealth from top earners and corporations to government / social programs.
When the government raises taxes and increases spending, I don’t call that fiscally conservative, I call it lazy.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:22 am to CrystalPreserves
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Clinton
100%
Probably the only one in my lifetime.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:25 am to CrystalPreserves
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Clinton
No he wasn’t fiscally conservative. His income statement (federal) looked good due to the tech run up and other items.
His shell game of hitting the military to make it look like he was shrinking government while growing it in the areas that crawl up the average citizens arse was atrocious.
To answer the OP. I would say either Nixon or Carter.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:26 am to Pragmatist2025
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Do you mean this in theory?
Yes. The president is constrained by congress. Trump has consistently tried to attack the size of government, but has been thwarted by a combination of RINOs, democrats, and judges. His administration is attacking fraud like no other. He is laying off federal workers by the tens of thousands. He is trying to implement a system of tariffs to work the revenue side.
Say what you want, but the man is trying.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:32 am to Cheese Grits
The answer is obviously Clinton.
He and Gore were Doge’ing before it was cool but they knew how to play the press.
He and Gore were Doge’ing before it was cool but they knew how to play the press.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:35 am to Geekboy
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If judging by rhetoric, Reagan or some Republicans might sound more fiscally conservative.
Yep, the difference between Clinton and Reagan was what each inherited and what each had to work with. Huge differences.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:46 am to KiwiHead
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Funny thing is. His worshippers write upon him and ascribe to him positions and actions that he himself does not even embrace.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:50 am to Cajun Cricket
The contract with America and Newt was the last time the R party tried to do anything for regular Americans. Shame slick willie gets credit for what Newt and the R's at the time accomplished.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:51 am to td01241
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Clinton for sure. Born in 88.
frick the left though especially the left beginning with Obama.
Trump is still better
Agreed.
Trump can't get anything under control because of the accruing interest. Interest is what's starting to kill us.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:54 am to Penrod
quote:Fair enough.
Yes. The president is constrained by congress. Trump has consistently tried to attack the size of government, but has been thwarted by a combination of RINOs, democrats, and judges. His administration is attacking fraud like no other. He is laying off federal workers by the tens of thousands. He is trying to implement a system of tariffs to work the revenue side. Say what you want, but the man is trying.
There were times in our history when our experiment operated as intended, though it was not popular even then. Some Presidents were more loyal to the constitution than their political party. While they may have offered guidance to the legislative branch, they were indeed one of the constitutional checks of an overzealous Congress. The President either signed bills into law or vetoed them according to their constitutionality.
What we have today is unrecognizable to the representative republic our founders envisioned with a system of checks and balances. Our present Leviathan is a bastardized child of predatory capitalism and institutionalized thievery and thuggery. Entrenched power fed by corporate pimps passes for our government now.
Since the system is broken, we will never know if President Trump is truly fiscally conservative. The only evidence that he could actually proffer to this theory is to give good guidance and veto everything unconstitutional. Of course, this is not going to happen. Since our economy and society is smoke and mirrors propped up by worthless paper, it would cause an instant collapse as opposed to the dripping collapse we are now experiencing, even if he had the conviction to do so.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:55 am to td01241
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Clinton for sure. Born in 88.
You realize that the House has to originate spending bills, and it was Newt's (R) House takeover that "made" Clinton fiscally conservative, right? Clinton didn't do it, Newt did.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:57 am to Geauxldilocks
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because Clinton’s policies were rejected in his first 2 years.
My favorite was the tax on income you could have had but didn't. You pay income tax from your job. But you also own a camp out at the lake for summer fun. You could rent that camp out for $500 a month. But you don't want to. So, Clinton proposed a tax on the $6,000 of yearly income you didn't get. It got shot down in Congress.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 12:06 pm
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