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re: Who was the MOST fiscally conservative POTUS in your lifetime?
Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:06 am to SallysHuman
Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:06 am to SallysHuman
quote:Bitches be crazy.
Women in Congress/Senate in 1995: 56 (10.5%)
"" 2025: 155 (29%)
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Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:38 am to CrystalPreserves
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The top 1% of the wealthiest wage earners pay zero tax.
In addition to paying 40%+ of taxes, how much additional taxes are collected from the tremendous wages paid to their millions of employees, attorneys, accountants, etc. managing the empire?? How many services will you be using today that exist thanks to some of these 1% folks??
Nobody wants an oligarchy but step up & put some nuance into your argument at least if you want a serious conversation
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/9/26 at 11:13 am to dickkellog
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let me help you understand something boy in a nation where the top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of all collected income taxes no one is actually fiscally conservative and that includes you jethro.
A bit of a hostile reply there.
Just because someone might not be part of the 10% of wage earners doesn't mean they're not fiscally conservative at a personal level. How much debt overhead do they claim? The wife and I, with our combined income, are statistically right in the center of "middle-class". We put money in savings, don't live above our means, and our only debt is the mortgage, and i pay double mortgage payments every month to stick it to the bankers on interest.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 11:18 am to dickkellog
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70k renovation to my two upstairs bathrooms and my master bedroom
You got ripped off bigly
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:16 pm to Ten Bears
I got stock in Tesla and my financial advisor told me I would make a lot money in 10 years.
But I'm skeptical though.
But I'm skeptical though.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:19 pm to dchog
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How did you feel looking at your last grocery receipt? Or fill up at the gas station? Or your last doctor bill? Or your tax bill?
I felt great because I’m not a moron, I understand that Trump is playing a long game that is necessary to fix an economy going off the cliff. Plus, I work hard and I’m not a poor.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:23 pm to Geekboy
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Under Clinton:
* The federal budget moved from deficit to surplus.
* The U.S. ran surpluses in fiscal years 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.
* The surplus peaked at about $236 billion in FY2000, equal to 2.3% of GDP.
* Federal outlays fell as a share of the economy, reaching about 17.7% of GDP in 2000–2001.
* Debt held by the public fell sharply as a share of GDP during his presidency; CBO and OMB historical data track this kind of debt and budget data across administrations.
You g
Forgot to mention largest tax increase in history
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:28 pm to Cheese Grits
My choice is Ike. He built the Interstate Highway System. And he did it faster and cheaper per mile than Gavin Newsom's road which will probably be finished 50 years from now.
He also popularized golf. It was no longer 'the rich man's game.'
He also popularized golf. It was no longer 'the rich man's game.'
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:30 pm to CrystalPreserves
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Clinton
Cannot be the answer. He was forced into fiscal conservatism by a conservative Congress.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:30 pm to CrystalPreserves
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Clinton
Newt Gingrich neutered Clinton in his first mid-term. He was utterly powerless with polling in the cellar until the religious righters gave him political redemption with an idiotic impeachment
The correct answer is Newt Gingrich.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:33 pm to Nosevens
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Dems coming in on the back of republicans cleaning up the prior messes only to deconstruct again and start the process over again is not the same as building on top of the previous administration.
The facts disagree. Look up the last several recessions and then follow who was in control. I’ll even grant the last recession was completely out of control due to a worldwide pandemic.
In particular, the report finds that since 1949:
Annual real GDP growth is 1.2 percentage points faster during Democratic administrations than Republican ones (3.79% versus 2.60%).
Total job growth has averaged 2.5% annually during Democratic administrations, while it is barely over 1% annually during Republican administrations. Applied to today’s total workforce, this would imply nearly 2.4 million more jobs created every year under Democratic administrations.
The Democratic advantage is even larger in private job growth than it is for total job growth. Notably, business investment is higher during Democratic administrations, with investment growth running at more than double the pace than it does during Republican ones.
Average rates of inflation—both overall and “core” measures that exclude volatile food and energy prices—are slightly lower during Democratic administrations.
Families in the bottom 20% of the income distribution experience 188% faster income growth during Democratic administrations.
Recessions last 50 years:
1980 Reagan (contributed by stagflation of Carter)
1981-1982 Reagan
1990 Bush
2001 Bush
2007-2008 Bush
2020 Trump (would have happened to any prez)
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:34 pm to cajunangelle
quote:You sure about that? DoD Directive 5210.56, which established strict controls on carrying personally owned firearms on military installations, was issued on 02/25/1992 under George H.W. Bush. Clinton wasn't inaugurated until 01/1993. So what specific directive or policy are you actually referencing here?
Clinton decommissioned a lot of military bases and gutted military. He allowed no guns on military bases.
He created the inept gun free zones.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:40 pm to Cheese Grits
The answer is Newt Gingrich who forced Bill Clinton to succeed fiscally. Yes, I know he wasn't president, but as Speaker, he is the greatest unwanted gift Clinton ever received. Clinton wanted to spend (of course) and Gingrich led the effort to get a balanced budget, welfare reform, etc.
If Clinton had kept a democrat majority during his term, he'd have been a fiscal disaster just like those who came after him. Instead, thanks to Gingrich, history credits him with a surplus and fiscal responsibility, maybe the last president to ever enjoy that reputation.
If Clinton had kept a democrat majority during his term, he'd have been a fiscal disaster just like those who came after him. Instead, thanks to Gingrich, history credits him with a surplus and fiscal responsibility, maybe the last president to ever enjoy that reputation.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/9/26 at 12:50 pm to hashtag
You cannot overlook the demographics too. Younger baby boomers had passed their initial starting salaries and were making good money in the 90s while older baby boomers were making prime money. There were relatively speaking fewer older people living off social security, medicare, etc. if there ever was going to be a time after the initial post war boom to have surplus the 90s were primed to be that time. But even given all the benefits of the peace dividend, demographics, divided government, etc we only had 2 years of surplus
Posted on 5/9/26 at 1:14 pm to SnacknGold06
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Annual real GDP growth is 1.2 percentage points faster during Democratic administrations than Republican ones (3.79% versus 2.60%).
Seems that increased governmental spending during Dem years would cause this growth. You do realize governmental spending is a major part of GDP.
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Recessions last 50 years:
1980 Reagan (contributed by stagflation of Carter)
1981-1982 Reagan
1990 Bush
2001 Bush
2007-2008 Bush
2020 Trump (would have happened to any prez
Recessions are also not an indicator of any one admin. Causes for recessions, many times fester for years. The 2007-2008 is a prime example. Lending laws made during Carter's term, were expanded upon during Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush again. Many times banks were forced through litigation to use these lending laws (see Illinois vs Citibank). The 2007-2008 recession was caused by GOP and Dem trying to buy minority votes with these laws.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/9/26 at 1:20 pm to Cheese Grits
none of them
Posted on 5/9/26 at 1:22 pm to SnacknGold06
I’ll give you 2 of the more recent ones. First let’s do Bush coming in behind Clinton, supposedly the best non spender in Chief. During his administration he allowed legislation to pass that created the nightmare, that accumulated over 10 years or so, of the housing crisis that on top of the dot com bubble ( point fingers there too) and 9-11, without a doubt if Clinton’s neglectful performance there.
Secondly let’s look at the Carter administration whose policies were horrible and Reagan had to clean up.
Secondly let’s look at the Carter administration whose policies were horrible and Reagan had to clean up.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 1:30 pm to Geekboy
The biggest thing Clinton had going in his favor was the .com boom. It masked a lot of his shortcomings. He governed fairly pragmatically too. If Democrats would try to govern more like Clinton instead of going off the deep end like they have they would never lose another election. They can’t help themselves though. They have to go through these victimology and virtue signaling Olympics.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 1:58 pm to CrystalPreserves
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The top 1% of the wealthiest wage earners pay zero tax.
You're the latest of the folks whom I've heard spout off like this. I'm gonna give you the opportunity to prove your assertion is correct. Cite me a source with the backup to show this to be the case.
Posted on 5/9/26 at 2:13 pm to Swamp Angel
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You're the latest of the folks whom I've heard spout off like this. I'm gonna give you the opportunity to prove your assertion is correct. Cite me a source with the backup to show this to be the case
He probably thinks that because billionaires, like George Soros, Warren Buffet and Jeff Bezos, who have paid zero income tax in certain years, but contributed heavily to Democratic politicians in those years, is indicative of all billionaires.
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