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re: About that herd immunity
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:15 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:15 am to LSUFanHouston
Makes sense
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:17 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Is this correct? If you are immune with antibodies, wouldnt you be carrying the virus for a period of time until your antibodies "destroy" it?
No because as an asymptomatic carrier you can still pass the virus. If you are immune you won't pass the disease to others
So what exactly is different between this and an asymptomatic carrier?
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:18 am to TH03
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Again, I'm not a vaccine maker, but I don't think antibodies are relevant to covid-19 vaccines
All vaccines are about antibodies.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:18 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:19 am to LSUFanHouston
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So if you get it bad, you probably will develop some long-lasting antibodies, but if are asymptomatic (or have very mild symptoms), you probably won't have long-lasting antibodies.
Wouldn’t this mean you aren’t susceptible in the first place so therefore are already immune to it?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:20 am to Cosmo
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False. Every recent article Ive read makes it seem like they are more confident than ever a vaccine is possible
How does that jive to the OP? It seems like OP is saying we cannot achieve herd immunity because antibodies don't last long.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:21 am to LSUFanHouston
The Lancet is trash now. They are no longer a peer reviewed medical journal but have chosen to become a political publication.
Do NOT trust anything in The Lancet ever!
Do NOT trust anything in The Lancet ever!
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:22 am to TH03
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Again, I'm not a vaccine maker, but I don't think antibodies are relevant to covid-19 vaccines. They aren't producing an antibody based vaccine.
Yeah, no. All vaccines are reliant on antibodies.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
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Is this correct? If you are immune with antibodies, wouldnt you be carrying the virus for a period of time until your antibodies "destroy" it?
I'm not an immunologist, but from what I understand a vaccine is released differently and affects the cells in a different way than the actual virus. That's extreme layman's terms, and only how I've understood it so feel free to do more research
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:24 am to The Pirate King
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People with sense have been saying from the beginning...yet here we sit trillions of dollars later, thousands of ruined businesses later, in the same damn boat we were 3 months ago.
Our current state isn't sustainable. On twitter Chris Hayes from MSNBC had this post about how much we've lost and the new normal and all that. No one seems to realize that we can't go on like this. They're now saying they want to cancel school indefinitely.
If they had a plan to drive the country insane, what exactly would they do different? Spend months indoors terrifying everyone of a virus, fire tens of millions, stoke racial tension to an intensity not seen in generations, close schools, no sports, no bars, no restaurants, no distractions. It's like they're doing a psychological experiment on us.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:25 am to LSUFanHouston
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They may be, but it is not clear."
so they know `100% that they have no idea
welp its clear the DNC/MSM has new talking points out, the lie today is herd immunity is not real
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:29 am to LSUFanHouston
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We are going to just have to find a way to live with this, and when the vaccine comes, take the goddamn shot, if you ever want to be able to hang out with your elderly grandparents or your fat friends
Oh frick you, you cowardly moron. I'm not taking a vaccine for a damn severe cold bug.
Thankfully this will all be over in a month or so and simpletons like you won't be able to parrot this hysterical fear-mongering anymore since no one with a brain will publish anything like it anymore.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:30 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Wouldn’t this mean you aren’t susceptible in the first place so therefore are already immune to it?
It’s probably more along the lines that it needs a “high” infectious dose to make a severe illness.
A lot of people think exposure is a binary thing, yes/no.
There is a world of difference of clinical presentation between being infected with a particle with 10k virons and one with 50k
Or 100k. Or millions.
As an example: An healthy individual has to consume at least a million Salmonella bacteria in a sitting to expect to be symptomatic.
A lot of the asymptomatic cases can simply mean instead than it being an inherently mild illness, is that simply while it is trying to be acutely contagious, most people are being exposed to a very low dose of infectious particles.
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:30 am to lsupride87
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Is this correct? If you are immune with antibodies, wouldnt you be carrying the virus for a period of time until your antibodies "destroy" it?
So what exactly is different between this and an asymptomatic carrier?
Immune mean you have antibodies that are protective enough that you don't get the virus a second time.
Partial immunity means you get the virus, but it's not as severe.
Asymptomatic means you actively have the virus, but your body isn't exhibiting any symptoms.
If you are partially immune or asymptomatic you can still shed the virus and infect others.
Microbiology 101.
In this case, substitute exposure for injection. After your first exposure, your body makes memory T cells that "remember" how to make the antibodies to a virus or other foreign invader. As you can see by the graph, our immune systems response time shortens significantly for the second exposure.
This response could explain my some folks have low antibodies during a second test. The antibodies aren't always present in high concentrations. You body has to crank them out in response to a virus.
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:31 am to LSUFanHouston
“Herd Unemployment” is the real catastrophe waiting to happen if political correctness controls the virus response.
Some need to WTFU.
Some need to WTFU.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:32 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Wouldn’t this mean you aren’t susceptible in the first place so therefore are already immune to it?
Yes. Your body already already proved that it knows how to fight and defeat this virus so well that it never even caused an infection.
People acting like this virus rewrote the rules of immunology and infection are idiots at best.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:33 am to LSUFanHouston
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LSUFanHouston
You seem to have a rooting interest in this.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:34 am to LSUFanHouston
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I'm going on the understanding that a vaccine will be tested and peer-reviewed and good to go. Lots of resources going into this process. If it looks like some shady stuff is being done, then I'll have to re-think my position, for sure.
So, the vaccine is going to result in long lasting antibodies, but getting the virus is not?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:38 am to Lonnie Utah
If we are bringing out the graphs, here is a more detailed/accurate depiction that is relevant to the OP:
Basically the issue is that mild cases clear the virus before IgG is generated, which is the long term immunity/more powerful and effective response.
Basically the issue is that mild cases clear the virus before IgG is generated, which is the long term immunity/more powerful and effective response.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:38 am to Volvagia
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All vaccines are about antibodies.
But it's about stimulating your body to produce the antibodies, not using the antibodies to make the vaccine, right? You aren't giving people the "cure," you're teaching their body how to produce it on its own.
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