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Until I saw they were favored by -3.5.....

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Fr sure. I meant for competitions like this. I've seen some rules that they won't even allow AI denoise. I have no problem with AI usage in your scenario.


So regular noise reduction is ok, but AI noise reduction isn't? Curious. I think I get it, I mean you have to draw a line somewhere I guess.

And I went back an looked thru my photos from the last race. I couldn't find a clear cut example of what I was talking about that I could share. (I like did it at some point, but just couldn't find a clear cut example) But this race I was way out away from most of the crowd. Hiking away from everyone is WAY easier than spending time editing out spectators in PS. :lol:
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Only with AI. Otherwise, "altering," as you put it, has been done since cameras were invented. Every single photo you see has been edited.


I will admit in this space, that I do use AI to edit some of my photos. Shoot for a few of the local high shcool MTB teams. They try to have a "good" "clean" photo of every kid on the team for the end of the year banquet. Sometimes it's just not possible give the layout of the courses and the number of spectators. I have used AI to remove spectators from the background or a bike tire or other small distracting element in the frame when I cannot crop in close enough to remove those things. The reason I do it is I want every kid in every photo to look like a "rockstar" so to speak. While the photos are real, I'm also trying to create an illusion to make every athlete feel good about themselves and their season. If removing the orange tape they use to mark the course in some places enhances that illusion, I'm OK with it. Could I remove these things "manually"? Yes. Am I lazy? Also yes. I spend hundreds of volunteer hours doing this and if I can shorten the process I will. But I also know there are limits to how far I want to push the technology. I'm not dropping them into the lead peloton in the tour de France. lol.
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I love these posts. It’s really hard to tell what is AI versus what is real. I can only imagine what the future holds.


I think most of the images are "real" in this regard. They are images captured by the cameras and not digitally generated images. However, in the case of some of these images, I think they might be multiple images composited together. Very easy to do in today's world. In fact, photoshop even has a "Sky replacement" menu item. It basically lets you drop an image of any sky into any image with a sky. Now, weather it looks good or believable, that's another matter.

(not my image)


And having done this for a long time, I think that's the issue most people have with highly manipulated images. Do they look like reality (and does it matter)? If I use a filter to darken a sunrise to bring our more colors in the sky to make up for the physical limitations of my camera, is that a manipulation? What if I do the same thing using digital software? I can tell you the second way is WAY easier than the first and give you much more control. What I think the "problem" is many photographers take it too far and transform their work from photography into "digital art". Now there is nothing inherently wrong with that, it just how do you present what you are doing to the public. It's a philosophical debate with no right and wrong answer because art is intended to involve a response and emotion and those type of images certainly do that. It's just not to my personal tastes and that's ok too because taste in art is subjective....
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One of the examples were some by the great Ansel Adams.


110% true. Adams understood that a photograph is not simply a recording of reality. Even before digital photography, photographers made deliberate choices about exposure, contrast, tonal values, composition, and how they would effect the look of the final image. Adams was a master of these techniques, using them to interpret a scene and communicate his artistic vision. He spent HOURS and HOURS in the dark rook making subtle refinements to his images before producing the final images we know today.

Among the essential texts for any serious photographers is his series of 3 books called "The Camera, The negative and The Print". Although these books were written in the film era, their principles remain highly relevant in digital photography. Understanding exposure, dynamic range, tonal relationships, contrast, and image interpretation is just as important when working with a digital sensor and editing software as it was with film and a darkroom. The tools have changed, but the underlying principles have not. I still use his concept of the zone system when shooting landscapes.

For any serious photographer, these books are essential because they teach more than technical settings. They explain how to think about the entire photographic process, from visualizing the image before pressing the shutter to making deliberate decisions about the final result. Digital cameras and editing software can automate many tasks, but they cannot replace the photographer’s understanding of light, tone, and artistic intent. Adams’ trilogy provides a foundation for making those decisions with knowledge and purpose.


I'm not sure @-hole is the right adjective...



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To be fair, those lizards are all over that park. There are a bunch of similar photos online with the backdrop of the city and multiple monitors.



Not really my issue with the image tho. It's the light. How can the sun be setting in the background while the top of the monitors head have bight illuminated highlights? Look at the image critically. The light and shadows don't line up correctly. It looks like the light is coming from above and the direction of the camera at the same time (not to mention the sunset going on in the background). Something strange is going on in it.

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The moment I think(who gives a shite what I think about this) a photo has been enhanced(I can barely explain what I think is even being done) I lose every bit of wonder I might have for it.


Define "enhanced".

Does it mean cropping a photo? Because I could do that in the darkroom back in the 80's.

Does it mean exposure adjustments? Because I could do that in the darkroom back in the 80's.

What about processing it for more or less contrast? Because I could do that in the darkroom back in the 80's.

What about color corrections? Or double exposures? Or Spot retouching? Again these are all classical darkroom techniques.

I mean I get where you are coming from but "enhancing" photographs is nothing new, it been going on for decades and decades. What I think folks object or negatively react to is photos that have been so heavily altered from their original view of the world that they seem more like cartoons than photographs. The one of the monitor lizards in a great example of what I'm talking about.
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Some of these look like bullshite. Ill take the flies.


The fly image is incredibly difficult to take. The depth of field in that kind of macro photography is very very shallow. What's in focus is very limited. My best guess is it used a technique called "Focus stacking" where multiple image are taken, each one focused a little farther back. Then all of the sharp parts of the photograph are stitched together to form one sharp image.

It's difficult with insects because of how much they move.

It's a fantastic image.
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You're willing to get rid of the only rival you have in the only sport you have?


Well when you put it that way.

It was just a wisecrack anyway...
Can me make LSU leave twice?

re: Physician Assistant School

Posted by Lonnie Utah on 10/14/26 at 11:51 am to
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CRNA's make bank.



And y’all want to complain about the cost of medical care.


Still less than a full on anesthesiologist ...

re: Physician Assistant School

Posted by Lonnie Utah on 10/14/26 at 8:50 am to
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Just curious, why not CRNA?


CRNA's make bank.

re: Physician Assistant School

Posted by Lonnie Utah on 10/14/26 at 8:50 am to
Most PA schools want "Contact hours" with patients/people. Find a part time or summer job that allows them to accumulate those hours.

re: Gas price check in

Posted by Lonnie Utah on 10/14/26 at 6:24 am to
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Diesel is riding about 5.70 around here.


Jaxon Dart's brother Diesel is a Sr. In HS this year. I saw this sign on the High school football wrap up show on the news earlier this year. Some kid had made a sign that said

"$10 a gallon Diesel
Worth ever penny..."

(His wears #10) :lol:

re: Gas price check in

Posted by Lonnie Utah on 10/14/26 at 6:10 am to
$4.40 at Sam's club/Costco.
$4.80 elsewhere.

Paid $4.93 for regular unleaded in rural Utah 10 days ago.
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The Saturday before the last Saturday of the regular season will be exponentially better and less $#!++/.


Gonna be pretty $#!++/ for uga When they lose to SC in Columbia.....
When someone hands you one extra loss you won't like it....

re: Favorite SEC football record?

Posted by Lonnie Utah on 10/13/26 at 10:14 pm to
Probably this one..