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They have to declare for the draft, what part of that do you not understand?



:lol:

I can tell you are starting to realize you are dead wrong.
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They absolutely do this, by requiring you to forfeit your amateur status to even enter your name. This isn’t debatable, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills



And, how does amateur status constrain a player from playing in the NCAA.

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Sure, the NFL can’t prevent someone from going back to the NCAA.


The person I'm arguing with disagrees.

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But the NFL can prevent someone from going back to the NCAA and then back to the NFL draft.



Maybe. I doubt it. What are you basing that on?
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Because one draft is an involuntary draft (baseball) and the other is a voluntary draft. That’s a massive distinction.


In what way? Your feelings? Legally?

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I promise you it does not help players to return to school like they can for baseball. If that were the case good senior football players would never return to school ever just like they don’t in baseball. Players would leverage for signing bonus money their junior seasons and be forced to take it or return to school to sign for peanuts as a senior. The baseball draft is a horrible model. The only thing I think I’d be open to discuss is a player being able to return to school if he goes undrafted but that would have other Pandora’s box issues as well. The nil and portal world has made things complicated enough as is


I didn’t suggest it was good for the players. I’m suggesting that the NFL can’t prevent it from happening. And I’m suggesting the NCAA might not be able to prevent it given the recent legal rulings by the courts.
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No it’s not. I thought you were just confused at first, but you’re really showing your arse here. You’re just plain wrong and you’re tripling down on not understanding it


So you think that if the NCAA decided to allow players to return to school if not signed, the NFL would be able to sue and say it can’t do that? And your basis for that is “Amateur Standing”?

I don’t think the NFL has any basis to limit who plays within the NCAA short of specific contractual agreements with players…which they don’t have with Stewart.
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They do


…that limits their ability to play somewhere else. I doubt that very seriously. Can you support that at all?

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You don’t enter the draft in baseball.


You don’t apply for the draft. But the NCAA allows players to return. And that’s the point. The limitation is on the NCAA side…not the NFL side.
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You’re talking about something completely different



I'm not. You just aren't keeping up.

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Uh yeah, you have to formally forfeit your amateur status, which as of right now, can’t be reobtained



The NFL doesn't control what amateur status means in relation to the NCAA. It can only control what it means in relation to the NFL. Unless the NFL has a specific agreement with a player when they apply for the draft, I can't see how they could make any argument that they should be able to control whether the NCAA decides to allow (or can't prevent) that player to play.

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Only basketball



:lol: Baseball?
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Damn dude, it’s not that hard



I don't agree that his declaring for the draft would mean the the NFL can prevent the NCAA from allowing a player to play in college. The NCAA, if anyone, would be the party that could try and implement a rule to prevent that. If the NCAA doesn't want to do that, on what basis would the NFL have a claim?

I also don't agree that his declaring for the draft gives the NFL a claim to prevent the player from playing in the NCAA. Maybe there is language specific to that in the paperwork to declare for the draft that I'm not aware of.

Obviously, other leagues allow players to go back to college. And, obviously, the NCAA allows players in other sports to return.

So, what's the limiting factor?
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Possibly from a point of view that only certain people qualify for the draft?


Who is challenging his eligibility for the draft?

re: Trade Olave to Chargers

Posted by moneyg on 7/16/25 at 10:11 am
You start to understand why organizations don’t really give any credence to the complaints of its fanbase.

In many cases, their level of understanding of the game is kindergarten level.
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I’m not saying it will. What I responded to is why would the NFL even be involved… that’s why they’d be involved


I’m not following you.

Why would the amateur status of a player change the NFLs position?

Obviously, the NFL wants to prevent this from happening. But there’s no real logic to why the NFL would have any voice into how the NCAA implements rules surrounding amateur status. If the NCAA said it doesn’t care about amateur status, or a player makes a claim that the NCAA can’t care about amateur status, explain why the NFL would have a voice in that.

re: JLH showing off

Posted by moneyg on 7/15/25 at 8:57 pm
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Yea I know it's a bit hard to believe, but everyone gets older and puts on weight. Father time, not the P, is what is truly undefeated.


She’s probably 2x her ideal weight.
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What does that say about:


homos
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Why? No one has sued that you don’t have to be enrolled in school and won, to my knowledge.


Enrolled?

I’m sure he would be enrolled. Why did you bring that up?
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They require you declare for the draft and as such forfeit your amateur status


Again, what makes you think Amateur status will hold water TD challenged?
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Well he’s probably not academically eligible unless he was in school while training for the combine and draft.


I’m not sure they could win a case based on academic eligibility.
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This seems like a situation the NFL, NFLPA, and college football would all want to avoid being litigated.



That's maybe true. What's the reason the NFLPA would care? The NFL obviously cares. The NCAA on the other hand probably doesn't want it because they like the relationship they have with the NFL. They have been the defacto minor leagues and have made a ton of money. But, this isn't a bad thing for the NCAA product.

Regardless, how could the NFL and NFLPA have an argument in this conversation? How could they make the case that they have any control over a person not in the union and not a player in the NFL.

If the NCAA were to fight it, I don't know how they'd win when they have lost every other case.

re: Kelly Comments on opening game

Posted by moneyg on 7/15/25 at 12:03 pm
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So, they didn’t embrace the importance of previous openers? Is that why he’s lost them all? Don’t know if he’s the best man for the job


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It would be much better if he said we are going to approach this the exact same way despite our lack of success.
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These small guys have to learn to avoid hits. A bad QB will shorten their career.


Most of Olaves concussions came from him hitting his head on the ground.

It’s not something that can be avoided.
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It’s all part of the plan.


No.

But people need to remember that they do have power. And there’s not only nothing wrong with having to wield it with your party…it needs to be expected.