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Beauw
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re: question for libs about policy
So punish and tax the creators and innovators and tell them what to do with the money they earned.... seems legit.

Why don’t you be a pal and donate your “funds” at Vanguard, surely you don’t need that much money?


Right?
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93and99
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The party you voted for loves globalism.

The stupid Paris climate thing will be funded with your tax money.


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pelicanpride
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re: question for libs about policy
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Why did you overlook all of that and vote in support of all of that ? Because trump said there might be some election fraud? Explain yourself


He’s repeatedly said the election was stolen from him with zero evidence that hasn’t been thrown out of court. If you make an allegation that our democratic process is fundamentally broken, you damn well better provide evidence. I feel pretty strongly about that.


93and99
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I can tell you aren't stupid.

You just voted with your heart not your head.

Trump put this country first, Biden never will.


Nguyener
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re: question for libs about policy
Why did you ignore the entire rest of my post?

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If you make an allegation that our democratic process is fundamentally broken, you damn well better provide evidence


Please link the evidence that Trump has help from Putin to rig the 2016 election.

Please link the evidence that Trump is a Russian puppet destroying America.

Both allegations made and supported by Joe Biden, whom you voted for.

Would you like me to link all the evidence of dead people voting, maiden name voting, poll watchers ignoring post marks and signatures, etc...

Trump may not have won the election, but there was damn sure a ton of voter fraud and it should damn sure be looked at with scrutiny from the American people no matter what side of the isle you fall on.

And I’ll post the rest again so you have a chance to respond to it:

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There are things about the Democrats that scare me. I don’t want coronavirus overreach. I don’t want to pay people more to stay at home because of coronavirus than they made when they were working.


And yet you voted for all of that

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had a hard time getting past how much of a horse’s arse Trump is


You can’t vote for Trump because he’s an arse but totally ok with Biden saying these things:

Listen, fat, you wanna do a push-up contest?

You ain’t black unless you vote for me.

Why why why why man.

Poor kids are just as smart as white kids.

I am the Democratic Party

You’re the worst president America has ever had

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This false allegations about voter fraud fundamentally tear at the fabric of our democracy. We only have functioning democratic institutions because people believe in them.


If this is why you voted for Biden, then How do you reconcile the Russian election interference fiasco from the left? And why did you vote to support it?

How do you view Obama’s and Biden’s White House using the IRS against the tea party and the fbi against Trump? How do you reconcile the DNC working with the MSM to rig the debates for Hillary?

Why did you overlook all of that and vote in support of all of that ? Because trump said there might be some election fraud?

Explain yourself
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pelicanpride
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Houston
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Because they earned it.


To be fair, most of them inherited it, and all they have to do is not screw it up. And they only earned the actual revenue produced by their businesses. They didn’t “earn” jack shite from what they invested in the stock market. They just sat there and watched their money grow the same way I have.

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You’re concerned about national debt but you voted for Biden?


You’re not paying attention if you think the most recent Republican administrations have done anything to pay down our debt. That’s something Republicans forgot about a long time ago, and it bothers me.


tgrgrd00
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guess I just don’t understand why a very small number of Americans need tens of billions of dollars


Because they did something to earn that money. And generally when someone has that much money it's because they are an inovater.

Without an incentive to inovate (money) you stagnate and you miss out on efficiency and new technology among other things that benefits society.

This is one of the primary reasons communist countries fail. The government controlling production and wages provides zero incentive for innovation from individuals.




Nguyener
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To be fair, most of them inherited it, and all they have to do is not screw it up.


Jealousy tax is a bad look. Taxing someone because they have more than you and you don’t think that’s fair makes absolutely no sense to me.

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They just sat there and watched their money grow the same way I have.


Do you think you should be allowed to pass that money on to your kids?

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You’re not paying attention if you think the most recent Republican administrations have done anything to pay down our debt. That’s something Republicans forgot about a long time ago, and it bothers me.


You have a problem staying on point and answering direct questions.

You said you have a problem with the national debt and it should be paid down. How do you reconcile that with voting for Biden?


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tgrgrd00
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To be fair, most of them inherited it, and all they have to do is not screw it up. And they only earned the actual revenue produced by their businesses.


In your plan, after you tax the rich to pay down our national debt.

Who is going to pay for all of the items that ran up that debt going forward?

In other words, the rich have been taxed. There is no more money to get from the rich. Now what? How do you pay for stuff after that?


pelicanpride
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Nguyener - Honestly, dude I’m like 3 bourbons in, and I’m not going to read all of that right now. I did skim it, and I will say that some of it certainly sounds illegal. Can you point me to the lawsuits where any of the stuff is proven in court? Websites run by yahoos don’t count.
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pelicanpride
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Without an incentive to inovate (money) you stagnate and you miss out on efficiency and new technology among other things that benefits society.


I’m not talking about some 90% tax rate. Actually, I’m not even talking about changing the tax rate on their ordinary earnings. I’m talking about the taxes on their post tax earnings. This is after their billions and billions have been taxed, and they take that money and they invest in stocks or wherever else, and as long as they leave it invested for one year, they only pay 15% return. This is how someone like Warren Buffett is a paying a smaller percentage of his earnings in taxes than his secretary.


4Ghost
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They can’t. Muhhhh feeelings!


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pelicanpride
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Houston
Member since Oct 2007
760 posts

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In other words, the rich have been taxed. There is no more money to get from the rich. Now what? How do you pay for stuff after that?


I think we should both increase taxes and cut programs. That’s something crazy called compromise that we don’t really talk about a lot these days.

And by the way, rich did just fine in the middle part of last century. It’s not like they ran out of money. They were just taxed at a higher rate.
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immobileman
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No one owes you an explanation so you can REEEEEE and get into your little feelings.

Please answer OP’s questions.


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pelicanpride
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Houston
Member since Oct 2007
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I can tell you aren't stupid. You just voted with your heart not your head. Trump put this country first, Biden never will.


Is that the Election Board equivalent of “Bless Your Heart.” Lol
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higgsBoson
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USMCA


USMCA is not substantially different from NAFTA and is incredibly small in its change of scope, mainly around shifting some priorities on exemptions of certain industries within each country. It also requires a larger percentage of some products to be produced in high wage factories. This would make it more likely for those to be built in America than Mexico. But the reality is that it’s uncertain if Corporations will move to America or go to Vietnam. Overall, the strain it put on allies wasn’t worth the hullabaloo.

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VA reform, prison reform, given 10 years worth of funds to historically black colleges


Will give you these. Most of these are small victories however or just improvement in management of VA resources.

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built the wall


This is just dumb. Come on. Nothing really happened here.

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crushed china


How did he crush China? Trade war was bad for both countries and nothing was done on intellectual property or access to Chinese market. Also, our trade deficit with them increased.

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America is energy independent


Happened under Obama first. Fracking was an Obama policy.

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he brought back manufacturing


Again come on. This hasn’t happened in any serious way.


pelicanpride
LSU Fan
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
760 posts

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Why don’t you be a pal and donate your “funds” at Vanguard, surely you don’t need that much money?


I actually really like my 15% tax rate on the money I earn each year when I spend 30 minutes to rebalance my Vanguard account. Look, I didn’t grow up with money. I got free lunches at school and the biggest Pell Grant they make. Through hard work and a LOT of luck I fell into a large chunk of money in my late 20s. I invested it all in index funds, and I will never forget the first year when I saw myself make more money by doing nothing than I made a my job. Y’all keep telling yourselves the uber rich earned what they have. Some of them did, but the vast majority of them had to just not screw up what they were handed.


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bfniii
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pelicanpride
first, congrats on being the exception to the rule. yeah, you're going to get some vitriol to your response but that's because the left has pushed the right to the limits. people feel like they are backed into a corner

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the only parts that aren’t set to expire go to the very wealthy. Taxes on the top 1% are lower than they have been at any point since the 1920s. I fundamentally believe they should pay more
you might want to read this

tax burden

In 2016, the top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97 percent of all individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 3 percent.

The top 1 percent paid a greater share of individual income taxes (37.3 percent) than the bottom 90 percent combined (30.5 percent).

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 26.9 percent individual income tax rate, which is more than seven times higher than taxpayers in the bottom 50 percent (3.7 percent).

i am always dumbfounded when the left says the rich should pay their fair share. if they were to pay any more, they would pay 100% of the federal income tax burden.

we taxed the wealthy at such a high rate, they started leaving the country and taking their business with them. then, the left complained about corporations setting up overseas. trump lifts that burden, repatriates some business, the economy booms and the left complains that he only cares about the wealthy and big corporations. the left is incorrigible and uninformed.

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Imagine people with billions in their bank accounts. They are paying a lower overall share of their earnings in taxes than you are at your job that you go to every day
first, this argument from the left is nothing more than class envy and it is not how any sophisticated, reasonable person should advance their argument. second, who cares what "share" they pay? why should they be expected to pay a bigger share of their own money? especially when half the country is a net negative for the fedgov? it's absurd. third, they are being taxed at an indefensible rate. fourth, the left's position is always based on the size of fedgov. instead of worrying about how much rich people pay, how about we cut spending and reduce the debt? there isn't enough wealth among rich people to pay off the debt, much less fund free everything for little johnny zoomer socialist.

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long term capital gains should be fazed out once you get to a very high wealth level.
so they're already funding the fedgov, let's cut into their capital even more. that won't have any serious consequences.


bfniii
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Member since Nov 2005
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I believe he is fundamentally dangerous to our democracy
another point i cannot fathom. he left decisions up to the states. he did not interfere with the fraudulent russia investigation. he did not interfere with the fraudulent election. he did not force doj to arrest obama/hillary/biden, et al for their crimes. he let the process play out. he fought for american businesses - ALL OF THEM, including the evil manufacturing and fossil fuels. at no point did he tamp down on the antifa riots or the blm looting even though he had every right to. the fascist angle makes no sense whatsoever.

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he has produced zero evidence in court that any fraud of any substantial amount has taken place
that's not exactly true given the cases that are currently being litigated.

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false allegations
again, still tbd. did you think he was lying when he said he was spied on and that turned out to be true?

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he would rather undermine it than accept the fact that he lost
there have been thousands of signed testimonies of irregularities. why would you be against investigating them and why would you expect the president to just ignore them? if there are countless people across the country who are screaming fraud and he ignored them, THAT would undermine faith in democracy.


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bfniii
LSU Fan
Member since Nov 2005
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they amass fortunes in a nation that was built on the backs of our family members who fought and died to preserve the systems that allow them to prosper
ok now this is just politically correct, millennial/zoomer, revisionist history propaganda. that is a blm talking point, not a fact.

the country was built by wealthy people AND poor people.

you say they amass fortunes. is that wrong? are they not entitled to that? did you know that the constitution originally said life, liberty and the pursuit of WEALTH (property, estate)?

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They should give more
why? based on what?


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