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re: Death by cop - Ryan Whitaker, PHX PD
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:25 pm to The People
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:25 pm to The People
quote:
The victim played with fire and lost.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:46 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
When a cop gets to fire at someone just because they have a gun in their hand then there really isn't a right to bear arms anymore.
THIS! Of all the bullshite stories we have been hearing about over the last few months, this one has really bothered me more than most. This sums up why.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 10:57 pm to GurleyGirl
quote:
Who answers their door with a gun in their hand?
Name checks out.
Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:02 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
You guys are doing yourself a disservice by acting like it’s okay to answer a door armed. If you are going to answer armed, you sure as hell better have a peep hole or otherwise good reason.
I sure as hell would be pissed if I knocked on my neighbors door and he answered with a gun.
I very much doubt the cops were looking to shoot someone that night. It’s poor control on their part but as said domestic violence calls are often horrible to deal with and gets them on edge before they arrived.
I sure as hell would be pissed if I knocked on my neighbors door and he answered with a gun.
I very much doubt the cops were looking to shoot someone that night. It’s poor control on their part but as said domestic violence calls are often horrible to deal with and gets them on edge before they arrived.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:11 am to Ross
I think it’s the training itself that is the problem. They need less militant training. Cops get more training today than they did in the 70s & 80s and it has become more and more militant. They’re trained to see citizens as criminals so they hardly use judgment or friendly interactions. They want to run everyone’s background and bring them to jail. It’s nothing like when I grew up and a cop just talked to you as a fellow citizen.
Yes, there are some who still do but it’s not the norm. The new norm is to approach every citizen as though they they’re dangerous when in reality we have much more to fear with the shift from police depts who protect & serve to a militant agency for law enforcement on citizens.
Yes, there are some who still do but it’s not the norm. The new norm is to approach every citizen as though they they’re dangerous when in reality we have much more to fear with the shift from police depts who protect & serve to a militant agency for law enforcement on citizens.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 4:12 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:15 am to baldona
Be pissed all you want. Your fear doesn’t give you the right to trample on the right of other citizens. It wouldn’t phase me at all... so what if they answer with a gun in their hand, maybe they were cleaning it? None of my business.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 4:17 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:27 am to supatigah
First off the dispatch officer is a POS. You could tell the guy was lying/joking about any physical violence why did he try to bait him into saying physical violence was happening? And second off, why would the officer shoot someone as they’re on their knees?
Posted on 8/9/20 at 5:01 am to baldona
quote:
You guys are doing yourself a disservice by acting like it’s okay to answer a door armed.
It's my house. I'll answer my door any god damn way I want.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 5:31 am to supatigah
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This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:20 am to NYNolaguy1
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As long as the officer can show he had a reasonable fear for his life (which won't be difficult after a jury hears he faced off a homeowner with a gun) he will walk.
Yeah it'll be difficult. It's the seeing part that might just make a jury determine otherwise.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:49 am to Ricardo
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Given the circumstances I am inclined to say this guy was a threat. There are too many examples of cops getting shot by a seemingly compliant individual.
Very few cops are shot, so I would say you would have a tough time finding even a few stories of cops being shot by seemingly compliant individuals.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:55 am to Obtuse1
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They need much more ongoing training. Just as much about how NOT to use their guns as being proficient with their use for example.
We don't need to defund the police we need to upfund them. There needs to be enough QUALITY police officers to rotate off of patrol and train on a consistent basis. In the military, we looked for a 1 to 3 deployment to dwell ratio and when it got down to 1 to 2 it was becoming mission-critical. Proper ongoing training reduces fear, reduced fear reduces mistakes in the field. If you can teach 18/19 not to shoot anything that moves in a foreign country where they don't speak the language cops can be trained well enough to reduce the chances of this type of encounter and ones like Daniel Shaver (also in AZ)
Agree 100% but with the stipulation that the additional funds must go to training and not to fund further militarization of police forces.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 7:11 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:59 am to LSUAngelHere1
quote:
. It wouldn’t phase me at all... so what if they answer with a gun in their hand, maybe they were cleaning it? None of my business.
You are so full of it here it’s laughable. A domestic disturbance call and guy answers with a gun. That’s about as stressful of a situation as it gets. But okay tough guy.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:02 am to The Third Leg
quote:Well this is false.
Very few cops are shot
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:08 am to Whatafrekinchessiebr
[Whatafrekinchessiebr]
Well let’s hope his kids aren’t as stupid as he was, and as You appear.
I stand by my comment Darwinism.
Well let’s hope his kids aren’t as stupid as he was, and as You appear.
I stand by my comment Darwinism.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 7:13 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:14 am to ell_13
There are about 700,000 police officers in the US. In 2019, of the 48 officers feloniously killed:
15 died as a result of investigative or law enforcement activities
6 were conducting traffic violation stops
4 were performing investigative activities
2 were drug-related matters
2 were interacting with wanted persons
1 was investigating suspicious person or circumstance
9 were involved in tactical situations
3 were barricaded/hostage situations
3 were serving, or attempting to serve, search warrants
2 were serving, or attempting to serve, arrest warrants
1 was reported in the category titled “other tactical situation”
5 were involved in unprovoked attacks
4 were responding to crimes in progress
2 were robberies
1 was larceny-theft
1 was reported in the category titled “other crime against property”
3 were involved in arrest situations and were attempting to restrain/control/handcuff the offender(s) during the arrest situations
3 were assisting other law enforcement officers
2 with vehicular pursuits
1 with foot pursuit
3 were responding to disorders or disturbances
2 were responding to disturbances (disorderly subjects, fights, etc.)
1 was responding to a domestic violence call
3 were involved in vehicular pursuits
2 were ambushed (entrapment/premeditation)
1 was serving, or attempting to serve, a court order (eviction notice, subpoena, etc.).
Weapons. Offenders used firearms to kill 44 of the 48 victim officers. Four officers were killed with vehicles used as weapons. Of the 44 officers killed by firearms:
34 were slain with handguns
7 with rifles
1 with a shotgun
2 with firearms in which the types of firearms were unknown or not reported
Regions. Felonious deaths were reported in four U.S. regions and Puerto Rico.
27 officers were feloniously killed in the South
9 in the Midwest
9 in the West
1 in the Northeast
2 in Puerto Rico
15 died as a result of investigative or law enforcement activities
6 were conducting traffic violation stops
4 were performing investigative activities
2 were drug-related matters
2 were interacting with wanted persons
1 was investigating suspicious person or circumstance
9 were involved in tactical situations
3 were barricaded/hostage situations
3 were serving, or attempting to serve, search warrants
2 were serving, or attempting to serve, arrest warrants
1 was reported in the category titled “other tactical situation”
5 were involved in unprovoked attacks
4 were responding to crimes in progress
2 were robberies
1 was larceny-theft
1 was reported in the category titled “other crime against property”
3 were involved in arrest situations and were attempting to restrain/control/handcuff the offender(s) during the arrest situations
3 were assisting other law enforcement officers
2 with vehicular pursuits
1 with foot pursuit
3 were responding to disorders or disturbances
2 were responding to disturbances (disorderly subjects, fights, etc.)
1 was responding to a domestic violence call
3 were involved in vehicular pursuits
2 were ambushed (entrapment/premeditation)
1 was serving, or attempting to serve, a court order (eviction notice, subpoena, etc.).
Weapons. Offenders used firearms to kill 44 of the 48 victim officers. Four officers were killed with vehicles used as weapons. Of the 44 officers killed by firearms:
34 were slain with handguns
7 with rifles
1 with a shotgun
2 with firearms in which the types of firearms were unknown or not reported
Regions. Felonious deaths were reported in four U.S. regions and Puerto Rico.
27 officers were feloniously killed in the South
9 in the Midwest
9 in the West
1 in the Northeast
2 in Puerto Rico
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:17 am to baldona
quote:
It’s poor control on their part but.....
......but a guy died.
This ain't an off night by a pitcher we're talking about here.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:27 am to davyjones
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This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:32 am to supatigah
quote:
PHXPD shows up, knocks on door, identify as PD (barely)
Whitaker answers door, cops shine light in his eyes, blinding him
Whitaker has gun, starts to move out of door frame towards cop 1
Sounded like they identified themselves pretty clearly to me.
Whitaker is fricking stupid for bringing a gun to the door and then opening the door with gun in hand in front of the cops.
Did he need to be shot for it? Probably not. But Whitaker’s stupidity is why he’s dead. Not the cops.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:33 am to Ricardo
Well except you're not necessarily supposed to shoot someone in the back like a coward when they're doing exactly what you're telling them to do, only because you have the extra freedom to do so.
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