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I haven’t watched the whole trial. It’s tough to get a clear picture of how each lawyer is doing. CourtTV sucks the defense lawyer dick but they’re entertainment, not news and they only have defense lawyers on.

I’m asking you what you actually think. It’s okay if you haven’t said it yet.

What do legal proceedings have to do with the facts: her attempts to get more drugs, her plan to get him out of the house, he sudden ability to hear voices that disappeared and hasn’t returned since.

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Distinguishing passive/general suicidal thoughts from active planning or intent is one of the most important parts of suicide risk assessment because the two carry very different levels of immediate danger and require different clinical responses.
1. Risk level is dramatically different
• Passive or general suicidal thoughts (“I wish I weren’t here,” “It would be easier if I died,” “I don’t want to live like this”) are relatively common in depression, anxiety, postpartum conditions, grief, and many other mental health issues. They signal distress and elevated long-term risk, but most people who have these thoughts never act on them.
• Active planning or intent (thinking about how, when, where, gathering means, rehearsing, writing notes, giving away possessions, etc.) indicates the person has moved from ideation toward preparation. This sharply raises the short-term risk of an actual attempt. The presence of a plan is one of the strongest predictors of imminent suicide risk.
2. It guides the level of intervention
Therapists and clinicians use this distinction to decide how urgently and intensively to respond:
• Passive thoughts ? usually treated in outpatient care with therapy, medication adjustments, safety planning, increased monitoring, and addressing the underlying depression or stressors.
• Active planning/intent ? often triggers higher-level interventions such as:
• Immediate safety planning that includes removing or securing means
• Involving family or support people
• Possible emergency evaluation
• Voluntary or involuntary hospitalization if the risk is acute and the person cannot stay safe otherwise
• Closer follow-up or crisis services
Without this distinction, clinicians would either over-hospitalize people who are not in immediate danger or under-respond to people who are actively preparing to die.

Convenient huh? The defense hinges completely on psychosis. Yet the only evidence of actual psychosis is her saying she heard a voice 2 weeks later sitting with a well-known defense psychologist who knew he isn’t allowed to quote her word for word and had her illegally call her husband to tell him she heard a male voice so that he would report it instead of the psychologist there solely to help prove she had psychosis.

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not one article condemned the man.

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One of the first results from searching his name:

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“One lesson is that domestic violence can become deadly with terrifying speed. Too often, the greatest danger to victims is in the home, where warning signs may be invisible to everyone else.”

Psychologist Paul Zeizel (who evaluated her) testified that on February 6, 2023, while he allowed her to use his phone, she told her then-husband Patrick (on speaker) that she had heard a male voice ordering her that she had no choice but to kill the children and then kill herself. Patrick Clancy had earlier testified about the call in which she described a man’s voice saying something to the effect that if she didn’t do it then she would lose her chance. Zeizel and others noted she has not reported hearing voices again since the 2023 events.

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I believe she is likely to be found NGRI which alleves her of criminal culpability

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Never diagnosed with psychosis. Never said she heard voices till her lawyer’s friend (their expert) handed her his phone (a huge ethics violation) to call her husband so she could tell him she heard a voice. Hasn’t heard a voice since. Never told a therapist she was thinking of killing anyone. No evidence of suicidal ideation. Searched how to treat a sociopath. She had her husband run errands so she was alone to do it. She was messaging him normal things.

I can’t understand how anyone thinks she wasn’t mentally competent.

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But also why did she do this? This is the root issue. "Throw her away". Fine. We've established this. Why did this happen and how can we prevent it?

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She did this because she was taught that being a woman is just too hard and she needed medication to cope. She surrounded herself with empaths and people who only told her that her feelings are valid and therapy and a million pills will fix her feelings. She was never taught to actually deal with them. Women have access to anything they need but they still aren’t supposed to be thankful and happy.

She’s been medicated since nursing school where she was prescribed beta blockers for “fear of public speaking.” Literally everyone has that fear. 85% of Americans. Yet she thought she needed to be medicated for it. That’s where this starts. The enablement and victimhood and meds will fix every discomfort. When the overprescribing didn’t work, she did all that was left to her. She removed the source of her discomfort: her children.

Yes. The system failed her. But not in the way these women want to admit. She had access to all the help and healthcare should could possibly want. But no one told her that difficulties come with living. That suffering and stress is often essential to teaching us how to deal with it all. But no. These women want to remove every single stressed. They want safe spaces. They want participation trophies. They want government to fund everything. Your personal truth is truth.

These ideologies are constantly pushed on us through media and social media. These are the consequences.

She could have gone to some of the best places and she would still find a way to frick it up and kill the source of her discomfort. She lied over and over. She went looking for meds left and right. She was changing or adding meds before they even had a chance to fully take effect. These therapists and docs and NPs probably helped hundreds of women before she came around. Yet you at least partially blame them. You don’t realize that this could happen to you. Someone you treated could go on a killing spree and blame what you did or didn’t do. Bet you wouldn’t be so empathetic then.