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re: Societal question: Would you trade the crime of today vs 70s-90s?

Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:29 pm to
So incarceration skyrocketed, people feel less safe, and your answer is even more incarceration.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:31 pm to
Incarceration + stop and frisk and aggressive policing. Would rather spend whatever dollars go to programs like yours on more police to walk beats in areas where normal folks do business.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:31 pm to
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Jeff Landry did New Orleans a solid and installed a permanent state trooper unit in the French Quarter which has seemingly helped


He did himself a solid because the entire state depends on the sales taxes tourists pay.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:33 pm to
My thought wasn't even just for criminals casing, but things like the mall shooting. You didn't have the poor run of society with the ability to go to malls back in those days. It was a suburban-yuppie experience, which is why a certain level of halcyon still attaches.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:37 pm to
I noticed a marked difference downtown from 2021 to my last four visits over the last two years. It was a smart thing to do.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:37 pm to
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Incarceration + stop and frisk and aggressive policing. Would rather spend whatever dollars go to programs like yours on more police to walk beats in areas where normal folks do business.


For clarity, are you claiming police visibility deters crime more than incarceration does?
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:38 pm to
I agree.
Posted by ummagumma
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:41 pm to
More incarceration and less ”affordable housing initiatives”. We need to make the poor move away from society, not pay for them to free load next door.

Affordable housing initiatives has wreaked havoc in Lexington. No neighborhood is safe anymore. We have limits set for outward expansion to protect our horse farms, so you have to keep moving farther and farther out to other counties to get away from the ever spreading rot. I live in a nice middle to upper class neighborhood and now I got section 8 pieces of shite moving in rentals a subdivision away. It brings down the entire section of town…and now there is no good sections left.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:59 pm to
It certainly helps.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 3:54 pm to
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4cubbies

Temu Jessica Tarlov.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:02 pm to
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You agree that incarceration rates don't impact public safety?


Only a retard would
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:02 pm to
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NOLA has to be worse now.


2025 Murders in New Orleans were the lowest in 50 years, and 10% of the murders came on New Year's, in a terror attack.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:12 pm to
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For clarity, are you claiming police visibility deters crime more than incarceration does?


You always ask stupid questions
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:15 pm to
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Jeff Landry did New Orleans a solid and installed a permanent state trooper unit in the French Quarter which has seemingly helped. I think the AG’s office has also stepped in on some prosecution based on certain arrests.
obviously there is still a lot of work to do, but I have to say the city generally feels much safer than it did a couple years ago. Sometimes I even see NOPD units in my neighborhood now.

I don’t go often but the FQ isn’t nearly
As bad as it was during the COVID years
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:17 pm to
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Isn't it interesting that you're observing a less safe communities despite ballooning incarceration rates?
Yes.
So what is the fix?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:19 pm to
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Temu Jessica Tarlov.


Should I even google who this is?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:21 pm to
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So what is the fix?


We have to accurately diagnose the problem to find a workable solution. We’re trying various solutions without understanding the problem which is why society just spins its wheels and even backslides on various fronts. In a country of our size, it doesn’t seem plausible that there is a one-size-fits-all problem or solution either.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:25 pm to
If that's the narrative you want to go with, it's much safer today than in the 70s 80s or 90s....yes a middle or upper middle class person is statistically safer on the street than they were in 1985 or 1995....or 2005

The 80s and early 90s were not the "good ole days" crime wise.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13529 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:25 pm to
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You agree that incarceration rates don't impact public safety?


No one should agree with that just based on what you posted.

You'd have to know what public safety would be like if the incarceration rates hadn't gone up (plus the information you posted) to conclude that.

Is this what passes for graduate school-level thought these days?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 4:29 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13529 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:28 pm to
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You just admitted that the more people we imprison, the less safe your community is.


No, he didn't admit that.

For him to have admitted that, he would have to have agreed that the relationship between the two was causal. He admitted no such thing.

I don't think you're really as dim as you are acting on this thread.

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