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SlowFlowPro
| Favorite team: | Stanford  |
| Location: | With populists, expect populism |
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| Number of Posts: | 481548 |
| Registered on: | 1/18/2004 |
| Online Status: | Online |
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re: Can we all agree it’s his turn in 2028?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 9/1/26 at 7:08 am to SallysHuman
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DeSantis is a pretty good governor… he’s got a proven track record in that regard.
JD has no track record, to use your words/standard
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re: Europe- “you’ll own nothing and be happy”
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 9/1/26 at 7:07 am to Mo Jeaux
I had ChatGPT create an image of a savings account being caged
re: Can we all agree it’s his turn in 2028?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 9/1/26 at 6:45 am to grizzlylongcut
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Trump will be the last democratically elected Republican ever probably
:lol:
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 9/1/26 at 6:34 am to FooManChoo
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I just responded to that. It wasn't the same sort of slavery
:lol:
So that form of slavery is moral?
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The Bible provides an objective standard to judge actions by.
And that objective standard judges slavery as permissible.
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"Society" (which society, and at what time in history?) does not.
Society has developed a standard where slavery is not permissible.
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They cannot say what is objectively and universally right or wrong.
Slavery = universally and perpetually right, objectively.
*ETA: the kind-hearted, "good" version of slavery, obviously.
re: Epstein Files: Massie reveals names
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:30 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Biden supporters hadn't pushed for release of the Epstein files. We Trump supporters pushed for release because we (naively) thought it might reveal insights about the Deep State.
This retcon has been FASCINATING to watch unfold.
All those pro-Trump Q-tards who pushed Epstein for YEARS who just pulled a 180 one day and pretend they never did....just magical stuff
re: Epstein Files: Massie reveals names
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:24 pm to TutHillTiger
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They murdered little kids.
You have no credible evidence to support this.
re: Epstein Files: Massie reveals names
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:15 pm to Jbird
Would you prefer they engaged in true productivity and try Epstein in absentia, postmortem?
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:14 pm to Jbird
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Straw men everywhere!
On this forum? Yes.
re: Epstein Files: Massie reveals names
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:13 pm to Jbird
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So effective they tried!
No, they did. Maxwell's conviction is the biggest skin on the wall of all of this.
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:12 pm to FooManChoo
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Perhaps I should do the same thing and ask you to provide a basis for morality without appealing to history.
You want to remove the actual evidence from the discussion. Why?
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So if I arbitrarily say that it’s my opinion that there is an objective source for morality based on a belief in a creator (God) that imbues people with rights that can’t be infringed upon, that’s OK as long as it doesn’t come from the Bible?
No. The Bible itself isn't noteworthy. The same applies to basically any religious text. You're just doing the martyr thing here.
The Bible was only specifically referenced because I know who you are.
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Or can I look at 2,000 years of Christian influence in the West and judge that whatever they believed is better for the world compared to other moral paradigms based on outcomes and not the specific source of their morality?
Only if you ignore the more important aspects of the development. You're free to do this, but you'd be engaging in bad analysis and would be wrong there, too.
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You are asserting that humanity learns morality as if there is an objective moral guide
You're now engaging in a straw man.
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That’s also circular.
Your straw man is circular, yes.
My argument is not that straw man, though.
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If you appeal to the majority, then you have to justify it by majority opinion.
Is there like a handbook where y'all are given these bad arguments? This is the 3rd time this irrelevant argument has been attempted ITT :lol:
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If you appeal to progress, you have to assume modern moral standards today are best in order to say that moral modern standards are better.
You're assuming it's not in the "error" part of trial and error.
And this method has done better than the Bible on things like slavery, as shown earlier.
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When you boil it down, all appeals are circular when you reach the ultimate or highest point of appeal, whether that be God, societal consensus, or something else.
Again, you're back to your straw man
re: Epstein Files: Massie reveals names
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 10:03 pm to Jbird
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No interest in why Blowy Biden and his DOJ did nothing?
They did try, and convict, Maxwell :dunno:
re: Europe- “you’ll own nothing and be happy”
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 9:55 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Your completely unwarranted arrogance (while being largely incorrect well over 50% of the time, might I add) r
:lol:
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You’re truly a cocksucker.
What a strange, hyper-emotional melt.
If you were smart and rational, you'd be pointing out the bullshite in OP, too.
You should be asking yourself which group (if not both) you're a part of to think that embarrassing post was a good idea.
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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
re: Europe- “you’ll own nothing and be happy”
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 9:53 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Yeah because the EU is definitely concerned about the consent of the governed.
That's not a link
re: The US is the next Iran
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 7:57 pm to Jjdoc
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and to help the religious political arm of Islam in iran.
Iran was a major-majority Muslim country
The US is not
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But, history is repeating itself.
So the US has a near 500 year history of being Muslim now? Interesting
re: Would an Independent LSU be that bad?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 7:27 pm to DeltaDoc
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Would an Independent LSU be that bad?
It would be horrible. What kind of question is this?
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 7:25 pm to Flats
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Again, this isn’t a logical basis for objective morality.
I have not once replied about "objective morality" ITT
I have responded about "objective truth" establishing "morality"
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 7:14 pm to Flats
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Both are “might makes right”. Is that how you define morality?
This is a long serious of trial and error over 8-12k years. Some of that involved "might makes right" and some didn't. The individual points along the way aren't relevant as they're very small datapoints in the larger sample.
*ETA: you're also focusing on the source/derivation, when it's the totality of the process and results that matter.
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 6:48 pm to Flats
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So? That's still determining morality by majority rule. Is that legitimate or not?
The priest kings of antiquity declaring stealing to be immoral were not relying on the majority of society to create that concept :lol:
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 6:47 pm to Freauxzen
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Pointing it out maybe saying "Ah ha! The Church can't complain creation of morality because of Leviticus," or something.
No. You're trying to spin the argument into an edgelord argument (like "God is evil look at this") that isn't being made.
The argument has been that morality can't be derived, created, etc. by humans. It requires a divine origination and proliferation. The Bible is the preferred source of morality, given the demographics of this board.
Slavery makes this argument problematic since the Bible condones slavery explicitly in the OT and Jesus not only never refutes it, but uses slavery in a metaphor that wasn't critical of the institution. If the derivation of morality is from the Bible, slavery is therefore not immoral. If you feel, today, slavery is immoral, that means the morality involved was derived outside of the Bible.
Counter to the societal trial and error theory, which perfectly works with slavery now being seen as immoral, while not doing this: "impose rational/modern standards on ancient things and pat yourself on your back".
The point of the argument isn't to invalidate Christianity. It's only to say that morality can be derived outside of Christianity.
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 6:39 pm to Flats
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Then why would you claim this?
Keep reading
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That's only existed in large part for 100 or so years. Human society goes back 8-12k years.
re: Why can’t we separate Conservative values from religion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 8/31/26 at 6:25 pm to Freauxzen
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I wouldn't use the term universal in this sense, because you are applying it incorrectly.
...how?
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