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Societal question: Would you trade the crime of today vs 70s-90s?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:26 pm
Let’s assume that crime is in fact down since the 70s - 90s and the peak of drug related violent crime in inner cities. Violent crime has also dipped in most major cities since 2020.
Would you trade that type of isolated/neighborhood crime vs the pervasive public space (malls, parks, festival, walkable areas), increasing suburban crime, and property crime that we see today? Is a typical middle - upper middle class person safer now walking around in normal areas than they were 20-30 years ago? Is their property safer from theft?
Would you trade that type of isolated/neighborhood crime vs the pervasive public space (malls, parks, festival, walkable areas), increasing suburban crime, and property crime that we see today? Is a typical middle - upper middle class person safer now walking around in normal areas than they were 20-30 years ago? Is their property safer from theft?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 1:29 pm
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:28 pm to NIH
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Violent crime has also gone unreported and underreported in most major cities since 2020.
I would 100% take the 90's back right now, crime and all.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:29 pm to NIH
Great value Powerman.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:30 pm to 4cubbies
Quiet
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:31 pm to NIH
I'm not sure if I'd trade for the crime straight up
But would I take higher overall crime rates but less bleedover crime and all the other things that accompanied the era in terms of...social stratification?
Probably
But would I take higher overall crime rates but less bleedover crime and all the other things that accompanied the era in terms of...social stratification?
Probably
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:31 pm to NIH
I have to know if you were able to smirk when you read that.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:32 pm to Pettifogger
You can’t go to your local mall, park, or movie theater at night but hey the gang wars 10 miles away have quieted down.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:33 pm to NIH
Every comment they make is to
Create division. It’s a party of hate!
Create division. It’s a party of hate!
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:33 pm to NIH
Only bootlickers are worried about crime.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:46 pm to NIH
I cannot imagine trading the relatively low crime rates of today for the skyrocketing crimes that peaked in the 90s. I struggle to see how anyone who had reached adulthood in the 90s view it any other way. Does this mean that everything is better today? Of course not! I was very much alive in the 80s and 90s, and we had a ball.
"Is a typical middle - upper middle class person safer now walking around in normal areas than they were 20-30 years ago?"
This is a very interesting questions because this sort of person was VERY safe doing what you describe then and remains so now. Ultimately, I see it mostly as a wash with a slight preference for today because of lower violent crime rates.
"the pervasive public space (malls, parks, festival, walkable areas), increasing suburban crime, and property crime that we see today"
I am not aware of an overall increase in property crimes but would be open to seeing stats on this. What I think you are getting it--and it's legitimate--is the failure or even outright refusal to enforce rules against homeless encampments and in some areas, even shoplifting. I believe this to be one of the more serious missteps our society has made in recent times and contributes to degradation of public spaces. The upside is that this is just a terrible choice many areas have made. It can be changed.
"Is a typical middle - upper middle class person safer now walking around in normal areas than they were 20-30 years ago?"
This is a very interesting questions because this sort of person was VERY safe doing what you describe then and remains so now. Ultimately, I see it mostly as a wash with a slight preference for today because of lower violent crime rates.
"the pervasive public space (malls, parks, festival, walkable areas), increasing suburban crime, and property crime that we see today"
I am not aware of an overall increase in property crimes but would be open to seeing stats on this. What I think you are getting it--and it's legitimate--is the failure or even outright refusal to enforce rules against homeless encampments and in some areas, even shoplifting. I believe this to be one of the more serious missteps our society has made in recent times and contributes to degradation of public spaces. The upside is that this is just a terrible choice many areas have made. It can be changed.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:50 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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It can be changed
I don’t see blue areas doing what is necessary to make that happen.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:56 pm to NIH
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Would you trade that type of isolated/neighborhood crime vs the pervasive public space (malls, parks, festival, walkable areas), increasing suburban crime, and property crime that we see today? Is a typical middle - upper middle class person safer now walking around in normal areas than they were 20-30 years ago? Is their property safer from theft?
Isn't it interesting that you're observing a less safe communities despite ballooning incarceration rates?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:58 pm to 4cubbies
Not really
Posted on 5/7/26 at 1:58 pm to NIH
You agree that incarceration rates don't impact public safety?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:00 pm to NIH
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You can’t go to your local mall, park, or movie theater at night but hey the gang wars 10 miles away have quieted down.
Where the hell do you live?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:00 pm to Powerman
Gary, Indiana I think.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:00 pm to 4cubbies
No, we need more prisons.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:01 pm to Powerman
Houston
And yes that was some hyperbole with truth mixed in
And yes that was some hyperbole with truth mixed in
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:04 pm to NIH
Why? You said you feel less safe today than in 70s-90s when our incarceration rates were dramatically lower than they are today. What do you think prisons accomplish if not public safety?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 2:04 pm to NIH
"I don’t see blue areas doing what is necessary to make that happen."
Perhaps, but time and lived experience can do powerful things. NYC has been soft, hard, and soft again on crime just in my lifetime. Even San Fran has retreated from its peak idiocy. Things can change, both for good or ill, and indeed they always have.
Perhaps, but time and lived experience can do powerful things. NYC has been soft, hard, and soft again on crime just in my lifetime. Even San Fran has retreated from its peak idiocy. Things can change, both for good or ill, and indeed they always have.
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