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re: Societal question: Would you trade the crime of today vs 70s-90s?

Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:02 pm to
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I definitely have some contradictory beliefs when it comes to crime/imprisonment and the current private prison system. It's a tough issue


kudos for naming this. I think we all hold some contradictory beliefs when it comes to crime and punishment.
Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:02 pm to
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You just admitted
No he didn’t.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37580 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:06 pm to
You are running with a narrative that simply is not the case. Maybe thefts are up, but violent assaults are down and aside from an uptick during Covid just about all categories are down and have been trending that way for the past 10 -12 years
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138984 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:11 pm to
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Mental illness.
Increasing occurrence and/or expression?
Why?
A mental illness posit seems weak to me, fwiw
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Breakdown of community. Collapse of social norms and values. ... Educational failure
Interesting.
Let's presume all that is accurate. What is the cause?

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Social isolation. Addiction. Family dysfunction. Lack of meaning or social investment.
All those would fall under root cause of hopelessness, IMO. Could hopelessness secondarily relate to breakdown of community, collapse of social norms and values, and educational failure?

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Distrust in institutions. Environmental conditions.
Weak. No ownership.

Posted by icecreamsnowball
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:14 pm to
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Mental illness. Breakdown of community. Collapse of social norms and values. Economic instability. Social isolation. Addiction. Family dysfunction. Lack of meaning or social investment. Distrust in institutions. Environmental conditions. Educational failure. Concentrated poverty.

The democrat politicians you vote for are to blame for every single one of those you listed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:19 pm to
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democrat politicians ... are to blame for every single one of those you listed.
They are to blame for most. Treatment of mental illness is a bipartisan fault.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19983 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:19 pm to
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The result is crime.



Maybe but 3.1% of our population is responsible for 63% of all violent crime.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37580 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:25 pm to
Private prisons by definition want higher crime rates or redefinition of what is a crime for business purposes. Without crime they have a failed business plan

For them crime is good for business.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41747 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:25 pm to
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They are to blame for most. Treatment of mental illness is a bipartisan fault.


The difference is liberals encourage mental illness. They teach people to be mentally ill woke losers.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:49 pm to
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Family dysfunction


Almost every bad outcome you can think of is tied to a single parent household.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39872 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:58 pm to
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NYC is probably even.
Are you crazy? NYC suffered an indescribably bleak period in the 70s and 80s. There was an internationally notorious municipal bankruptcy. Movies like "Escape from NY" were being made.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:03 pm to
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Increasing occurrence and/or expression?


Does it matter?

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Interesting.
Let's presume all that is accurate. What is the cause?

I’m not sure. I have some ideas but I can’t pinpoint a singular cause. That’s sort of the premise of this whole discussion. These factors are related and multifaceted. I haven’t heard a simple explanation that I’m willing to accept yet.

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All those would fall under root cause of hopelessness, IMO. Could hopelessness secondarily relate to breakdown of community, collapse of social norms and values, and educational failure?


Absolutely. Maybe it’s rooted the increased societal emphasis on consumerism and secularism?


Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:03 pm to
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The democrat politicians you vote for are to blame for every single one of those you listed.


Ok. Let’s say they are. Now what?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:06 pm to
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Private prisons by definition want higher crime rates or redefinition of what is a crime for business purposes. Without crime they have a failed business plan

For them crime is good for business.


Correct but it’s much deeper than private prisons. Many entities benefit and profit from public prisons as well. Literally everything is commodified in prisons - phone calls, commissary, labor…
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138984 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:11 pm to
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Does it matter?
Yes. In a huge way.

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I haven’t heard a simple explanation that I’m willing to accept yet.
Do not wait for someone else to formulate some contrived BS opinion!

Do this yourself, Cubs!
Your heart is in the right place. You have the credentials.
Come up with a hypothesis and proceed. Make it your thing
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122875 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:13 pm to
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Now what


Reduce government dependence. Instill pride. Crack down on crime with an iron first.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:29 pm to
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Crack down on crime with an iron first.


How?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41747 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:30 pm to
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Ok. Let’s say they are. Now what?


Quit voting blue
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:35 pm to
Not sure why the assumption is that I do. But if I stop voting altogether, will that solve all our problems across the entire country?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 6:36 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61417 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:42 pm to
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Do this yourself, Cubs!


I honestly appreciate this vote of confidence.

I am feeling very burnt out. I try very hard to be the change but it’s extremely disheartening to be surrounded by people who are using their power and resources to undermine the things I stand for. This whole thing with restructuring the courts in New Orleans has really messed with me. I’m interviewing somewhere next week. I don’t see the point in what I’m doing anymore.
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