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re: Societal question: Would you trade the crime of today vs 70s-90s?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:11 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:11 pm to Bunk Moreland
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SFP always spits out stats in these threads that crime was worse in the past. I don't know what to think. Even though it's a murder capital, Detroit is probably as good or better now compared to back then. I'm guessing San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland are way worse now. NYC is probably even. Not sure about Chicago and D.C. (I'm guessing they are worse now). ETA, NOLA has to be worse now.
It’s referenced in the OP.
In the 90s, it was violent gang related crime. Now, it’s mostly property crimes and public nuisance stuff. The violent crime rate is down.
The difference being that, in the 90s, I could avoid crime by not joining a gang or going into a bad neighborhood. Whereas now, I can’t avoid the lunatic homeless guy jerking off in front of my local supermarket. It’s a lot more visible and people feel unsafe.
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:37 pm to 4cubbies
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You’re grumpy this afternoon.
Not at all.
But even if I were, that wouldn't change anything.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:39 pm to 4cubbies
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I haven’t heard a simple explanation that I’m willing to accept yet.
So when you said that incarceration has no effect on crime, you didn't really believe that?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:41 pm to NIH
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Almost every bad outcome you can think of is tied to a single parent household.
And more single parent households are inarguably tied to feminism.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Ok. Let’s say they are. Now what?
Vote Republican.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:42 pm to 4cubbies
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Not sure why the assumption is that I do. But if I stop voting altogether, will that solve all our problems across the entire country?
Of course you skip all of my other posts calling you out for flawed reasoning, but you focus on this one, so I will play along:
Its a safe assumption based on your posting history,
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:30 pm to NIH
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Societal question: Would you trade the crime of today vs 70s-90s?
What if you are asking the wrong question in the first place?
What if crime has dropped because the young criminals in the 70's to 90's are older, in prison, dead, etc.
High young population = high crime
Baby Boomers were in their 30's to 50's in the 70's to 90's
Lower population after boomers means fewer young people to commit crime.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:34 pm to NIH
Give me the 90’s. I don’t remember crime being a problem in the 90’s. I never considered that I might get killed by stray bullets at the Mall of Louisiana (while picking up a pair of Girbaud jeans and hypercolor shirts)..
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:55 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I agree, but it isn’t close to 50/50 as far as which side is responsible.
Treatment of mental illness is a bipartisan fault.
They literally celebrate it.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:57 pm to NIH
Yes. Because I was no where near the violence of big cities in the 70s and 80s
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:02 pm to djsdawg
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Of course you skip all of my other posts calling you out for flawed reasoning,
All your other posts blamed democrats or liberals or leftists. What response were you expecting? I did not suggest democrats or republicans were guilty or innocent of anything. Reducing complex social deterioration to “Democrats did it” or “Republicans did it” isn’t particularly compelling to me.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:08 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:quote:So when you said that incarceration has no effect on crime, you didn't really believe that?
I haven’t heard a simple explanation that I’m willing to accept yet.
How are these two ideas related?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:11 pm to wackatimesthree
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But even if I were, that wouldn't change anything.
Sometimes you offer thoughtful engagement but you’re choosing to exclusively patronize me in this thread. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you’re just having a bad day.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:23 pm to NIH
Yes.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:25 pm to Cheese Grits
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What if crime has dropped because the young criminals in the 70's to 90's are older, in prison, dead, etc.
I was a critic of the mass incarceration of the 90s until I saw how well it actually worked.
Clean up 2-3% of the population and our country would look pollyanna.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:27 pm to NIH
Yes, at least back then activist judges were less prevalent and dangerous criminals were more likely to be put away.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:30 pm to 4cubbies
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How are these two ideas related?
Your conclusion was based on a vastly oversimplified assumption with no basis to make it.
That directly contradicts this claim.
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I haven’t heard a simple explanation that I’m willing to accept yet.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:32 pm to 4cubbies
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Sometimes you offer thoughtful engagement
Sometimes you do too, but you're acting like a 15 year old in this thread.
Me noticing that and commenting on it doesn't require me to be having a bad day.
Why don't you engage the egregiously fallacious nature of your comments that I am pointing out rather than trying to gaslight me for pointing them out?
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:36 pm to wackatimesthree
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Why don't you engage the egregiously fallacious nature of your comments that I am pointing out rather than trying to gaslight me for pointing them out?
What specific comment do you find so offensively egregious?
Posted on 5/8/26 at 4:52 am to 4cubbies
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All your other posts blamed democrats or liberals or leftists. What response were you expecting? I did not suggest democrats or republicans were guilty or innocent of anything. Reducing complex social deterioration to “Democrats did it” or “Republicans did it” isn’t particularly compelling to me.
No, not true.
We have pointed out the flaws of your reasoning. You have yet to comment on it.
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