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re: Raleigh Man Faces Financial Ruin After Multimillion-Dollar Home Stolen Using False Deed

Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:37 am to
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38110 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:37 am to
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Why isn’t a DA going after such a person?

Probably been instructed to solely focus all efforts on indicting Trump for it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477434 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:38 am to
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Because any time real estate is transferred and a lawyer is involved a title search should be performed to ensure there are no encumbrances. Doesn’t matter if an agent is involved or not.


I doubt they sell to consumer or people who have agents.

Besides, it's the LLC that's fraudulent, not the title. You're dealing with an LLC that's listed as the owner.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86177 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:40 am to
Here is the thing. Your life’s work can be taken from you wrongly in a day. It often is
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87435 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:56 am to
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Good question. I read through my title insurance of my last home and it barely covers unfound liens of seller.

But this wasn't a lien, and there was no problem with the guy's title. This is simply fraud. The new "owner" would never be able to prove title.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20515 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:58 am to
Some counties have notification systems whereby, if a deed is filed on your property, you are notified. But you have to register for the service.

Denton County (TX) has such a system: when I filed a Transfer on Death Deed for my house (just before going into major surgery last year), I was notified that a deed was filed.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68878 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:02 am to
“The system” in this case was apparently a dumbass clerk in the office
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7724 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:05 am to
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People need to start using Jury Nullification as a bludgeon against the legal system

Especially the Right
No.

You don't want Jury Nullification to become a popular thing.

We operate under the rule of law, and we need to promote that ideal.

You do NOT want to promote the opposite.

We are trying every day to crawl away from solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5139 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:07 am to
This was just tried with Graceland post Lisa Marie's death.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139195 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:11 am to
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That's not the job of a county clerk, though.

Riiiight.

The job of the County Clerk is to enable the fraudulent transfer of someone's home.

For the vast majority of American homeowners, their home is far and away their largest financial asset, and it is a leveraged investment. Meaning, not only is the asset stolen, the victim is still on the hook for loan payments. Saying "Golly-gee, surry but there ain't nuttin' we kin do," does not cut it. This is correctable, state enabled crime.

E.g., Either have lawyers and title insurance involved, or the title holder with approved identification present for the title transfer.
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
9578 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:17 am to
If the owners story is true then it will be worked out as long as a sale did not go through by the fraudulent owner.

Of course he will have to hire a lawyer to file the suit; he'll lose time and money on this but likely have his court costs on a judgement against the fraudulent owner.

Seems kind of strange as the fraudulent transfer was pulled off fairly easily which could be laziness/ incompetence or someone inside was paid off to push through the transfer.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115577 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:19 am to
Sure sounds like felony theft to me
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
20910 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:26 am to
What is this person going to do? Remove the guy from his own house by force?

If the new owner attempts that and he shoots her dead in the floor what then? She was attempting to defraud and steal his property.

This is a paperwork nightmare I would imagine but this is something someone would die over before I just give my house to someone.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
27372 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:51 am to
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Should that not be uncovered in the title search?


Yes and no. The LLC still technically owns the property. What is happening in these instances isn't a title search issue. It's a person acting as if they own the LLC. And to the world, it looks like they do. It's not uncommon for LLC demographic information to change at any given time. But now, if we see a recent change in the LLC information, we go into overdrive to investigate why and if its legitimate.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 9:52 am
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20922 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:13 am to
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we go into overdrive to investigate why and if its legitimate.
Guessing you’re an attorney with experience in this.

I do know from discussions with title attorneys they say the same on any recent changes.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55700 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:35 am to
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Sounds like a dumb observation, but why can’t he just do the same thing she did and take it back?

He can, but he’d never be able to mortgage or sell it.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10135 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:50 am to
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Adams promptly presented evidence of his ownership, including mortgage and tax documents, but county officials informed him that they were powerless to intervene. Adams said his only option was to hire a private attorney to file a civil suit against Mangum.


That's not his only option. People like this who use fraud for a living are, with the exception of the very old, the first to jump at what seems like a sweet deal, but which is really payback.

Back in the day, a sibling had a small business as a high school student - taking and selling team, and individual photos. He took a SLR camera to a local shop for repairs. When he didn't hear back on the fix, he went to the shop, and they had taken all of their in-service inventory and hauled arse.

My parents simply watched the classifieds until they found a large chunk of merchandise being offered, then went to visit the guy in his home, while my sibling hung back in the car. Yep, same guy.

My parents choice was to get the law involved, or not. My father consulted a hunting buddy, also the county DA, who told him "whatever you do, do it in our county, not his county". He called the man, told him he'd buy all of his inventory, and told him to meet at our place of business, which he did. When the guy got back home, he learned that 1) the check had a stop-payment, 2) that kid he fricked had fricked him back, and that his recourse was to file charges with the local Sherriff, who could be found most weekends hunting my fathers' property. He chose to walk away from that fight.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 11:55 am
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
14731 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:58 am to
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This was just tried with Graceland post Lisa Marie's death.

Yeah.. and after Riley Keogh took it to court, it got thrown out in about 32 seconds. But still had to go to court.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
6556 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:20 am to
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Title insurance??


That's the whole purpose of it and sounds like the right avenue hasn't been identified by the correct owner to get this resolved yet.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37662 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:22 am to
Is Dawn Mangum real?

What kind of Trust?

Who's the Trustee?

Check with the notary or closing attorney. If notary it will be a little longer because a lot of states will basically hand anyone a notary license. They get a stamp and ........

In Louisiana, you actually have more safeguards IMHO .Your notary is licensed and can be tracked down. Notaries in LA have to take a test and know know Louisiana notarial law and practice.

When this is adjudicated, I hope this Mangum character gets the maximum and a perpetual garnishment on any future wages or awards
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
14475 posts
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:24 am to
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Title insurance??


Won't cover it. Title insurance does not cover matters that happen after you acquire title.
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