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re: Raleigh Man Faces Financial Ruin After Multimillion-Dollar Home Stolen Using False Deed
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:25 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:25 am to SDVTiger
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But every notaries name is on the document. So just getting a notary seal shouldnt be enough to pull this off
If it's fraudulent, it's easily verifiable (via LEO or future litigation). That's not the job of a county clerk, though.
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The guy needs to find that notary or prove that the notary doesnt exist
I'm sure that was the plan in his civil suit.
Also, I'm assuming most jurisdictions are like LA where you can file something while litigation is pending over property that acts like a lien. In LA it's called a lis pendens. She would not be able to sell that house while the lawsuit was ongoing.
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:A deed is issued after the title company advises the county/city/state entity in real estate transactions.
You mean the employee at the county clerk? Why? They just file the documents. They're not allowed to make legal judgments.
On a quitclaim deed that is processed by an attorney’s office while not sure what that state’s laws are should also have a notification from the attorney who provided it.
If there is no verification check that’s a problem, it’s rather easy to do so.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:33 am to NC_Tigah
What is wrong with a system where so evident a crime has been committed - everything from larceny, grand theft, filing false affidavits, to conspiracy.
Why isn't it a slam dunk, starting with immediate recovery of stolen property and arrest of the criminal, to seizure of criminal's assets to 'restore' the rightful owners property and pay for his expenses.
This could be handled by any local sheriff and notary public.
Why isn't it a slam dunk, starting with immediate recovery of stolen property and arrest of the criminal, to seizure of criminal's assets to 'restore' the rightful owners property and pay for his expenses.
This could be handled by any local sheriff and notary public.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:46 am to llfshoals
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A deed is issued after the title company advises the county/city/state entity in real estate transactions.
On a quitclaim deed that is processed by an attorney’s office while not sure what that state’s laws are should also have a notification from the attorney who provided it.
If there is no verification check that’s a problem, it’s rather easy to do so.
Depending on the state, it's a bit less involved than that. Every blue moon I have to argue with local clerks and tell them their job is not to scrutinize my work, but to simply record it as requested.
Something else that is starting to occur in this business is seller fraud. Wire fraud was the crime of the day (and still is) but now criminal finds some property owned by an LLC with an out of state owner, no mortgage. Hurries to the Secretary of State, changes information. Puts up a for sale sign and takes any fire sale type offer. Gets a bank account in LLC name setup with fraudulent or fake docs. Sale occurs, deposits proceeds, writes him/herself a check. They have to do this really quick.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:50 am to BlueFalcon
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Either the system will stop shite like this or we'll just have to do it ourselves
A multi million dollar lawsuit against the County and State should do the trick.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:i feel like a cursory attempt to determine if they had any prior relationship with the person who filed the fraudulent claims would be warranted here
quote:You mean the employee at the county clerk? Why? They just file the documents. They're not allowed to make legal judgments.
The person who registered the deed should face some questions too.
to assume that some random woman with (presumably) little knowledge of multimillion dollar real estate transactions might have had some ‘expert guidance’ to pull off such a scam seems prudent
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:51 am to NC_Tigah
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The paperwork was approved and recorded without any verification of its authenticity.
Clerks of court don’t “verify authenticity” of recordings. And “approval” would be just making sure the document is in recordable form. Which often is nothing.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:54 am to FearlessFreep
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i feel like a cursory attempt to determine if they had any prior relationship with the person who filed the fraudulent claims would be warranted here
Nope. Nothing would ever get recorded of a clerk had to stop and research every filing. In my experience it’s difficult to even track down a notary to check signature logs.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:55 am to bluestem75
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A multi million dollar lawsuit against the County and State should do the trick.
I don’t understand this at all.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:57 am to SuperOcean
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What's to stop him from doing the save thing.
This is exactly what I thought too. just file another deed like Dawn did while the courts figure it all out.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:58 am to LSUSkip
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Murder would be on the table for something like this. Absolutely. If I were on a jury, I would immediately nullify. That would stop that practice.
People need to start using Jury Nullification as a bludgeon against the legal system
Especially the Right
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:59 am to NC_Tigah
What is MOST important and has not been reported here is whether or not Adams and/or Mangum is in a historically marginalized group. If that is the case, then that should be factored into the outcome.
Adams has a home worth $8.3M. Obviously, he is not suffering and will probably land on his feet just fine. He should probably identify as black trans woman with downs syndrome resulting from a failed abortion, just tilt the board in his favor.
Adams has a home worth $8.3M. Obviously, he is not suffering and will probably land on his feet just fine. He should probably identify as black trans woman with downs syndrome resulting from a failed abortion, just tilt the board in his favor.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:06 am to Jax-Tiger
i bet the neighbors are pissed that mangum thought that this house was more desirable than the other houses.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:06 am to rmc
quote:Should that not be uncovered in the title search?
Sale occurs, deposits proceeds, writes him/herself a check. They have to do this really quick.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:11 am to llfshoals
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Should that not be uncovered in the title search?
Why would there be a title search?
This isn't an action done by a couple of RE agents and legitimate buyers/sellers.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Because any time real estate is transferred and a lawyer is involved a title search should be performed to ensure there are no encumbrances. Doesn’t matter if an agent is involved or not.
Why would there be a title search?
If a lawyer didn’t draw up the quitclaim and they forged that too (likely) that would explain why none was.
Also, the quick sale would have a title search unless the buyers were idiots.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:27 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:27 am to ChineseBandit58
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Why
You can thank the legal system. Attorneys like Morgan and Morgan know half their cases, or more, are BS. They don't care because the $$$ are too good and there is no real recourse against fraudulent suits or claim. In a just world, John Morgan would be in prison for fraud. Sorry, I digress.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:29 am to NC_Tigah
This is a case of major fraud, forgery and filing false documents. If the county, state, police and courts can't sort this out immediately then a lot of them need to be fired and replaced with someone who can.
Jail these scammers.
Jail these scammers.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:31 am to SelaTiger
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She admitted to forging the documents but said she believed it to be a foreclosed home
I wonder how she chose that particular home to steal.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why would there be a title search?
Isn’t this done at every closing? I remember having to purchase title insurance to protect against something like this when we closed on our house.
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