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re: What do people in Germany think about the D-Day celebrations?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:20 am to weagle99
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:20 am to weagle99
Three weeks ago I was visiting Dachau Concentration Camp.
It is full of German school groups, 14 years of age and up. What was done in those camps is drilled into their heads.
BTW if you've never been to one of the camps you should try to go, if you ever have the chance. It was unreal. The original barracks are gone, but they still have the ovens. That was pretty horrible to see.
What's really bizarre is that Dachau is a beautiful town.
It is full of German school groups, 14 years of age and up. What was done in those camps is drilled into their heads.
BTW if you've never been to one of the camps you should try to go, if you ever have the chance. It was unreal. The original barracks are gone, but they still have the ovens. That was pretty horrible to see.
What's really bizarre is that Dachau is a beautiful town.
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Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:27 am to weagle99
We emasculated them so much they probably celebrate it.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:39 am to The Spleen
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They're happy about it. Germans had a reckoning with their past a long time ago and have distanced themselves from it and don't romanticize it. They recognize it for what it is.
That's nice.
Any chance the rebel flag flying baws in the states will?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 7:51 am to pensacola
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They’re very happy we got to Berlin before Stalin
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:03 am to soccerfüt
Because what Stalin would have done pales in comparison to the US.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:06 am to pensacola
Guess you didn’t make it to that level in Call of Duty World at War....
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:17 am to Oilfieldbiology
Beyond that. A lot of young Japanese think they were on the allied side during the war.
Its partly because of our govt and theirs really scrubbing everything.
It's to the point they've turned the ships from WWII into sexy school girls.
Yamato.
Bismarck.
Its partly because of our govt and theirs really scrubbing everything.
It's to the point they've turned the ships from WWII into sexy school girls.
Yamato.
Bismarck.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 8:57 am to weagle99
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What do people in Germany think about the D-Day celebrations?
Probably the same thoughts as when Southerners are having their statues of the losing side taken down.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 9:12 am to wadewilson
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That's nice.
Any chance the rebel flag flying baws in the states will?
Probably not.
Self reflection isnt something many Americans are willing to apply to themselves. But to be fair, it was a nuanced conflict from the beginning.
The South always had different aspirations than the North from the moment they created the Articles and later Constitution. The North wanted to become more akin to the European nations only with a republic instead of a monarch. The South wanted a Republic, but economically they preferred the slave empires of countries like Spain and the Portuguese.
The other issue the whole state rights debate. The states effectively wanted to be their own country with military contract agreements. This was tried under the Articles, but it was an absolute failure (many Southerners forget this part of US history).
Had we stayed under the Articles, its very likely the US would have fractured into separate countries and the War of 1812 would probably have ended VERY differently in favor of Britain.
People just want to be proud of their ancestors. The truth is that the Planter class were to blame.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 9:34 am to volod
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Thank you for sharing that. So what do you think of people on here who believe the Nazis were socialist?
Well, they were Socialist so those people are correct.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 9:48 am to Tiguar
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Even patton said we joined the wrong side.
Yup. Patton knew Russia would be our enemy, and wanted to kick their arse while we had the troops already there.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 9:59 am to volod
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The other issue the whole state rights debate.
There was no states rights debate prior to the Civil War. It was a propaganda term created in the early 1900's by the Daughters of the Confederacy to cloud the ultimate reason the Southern states wanted to secede - slavery.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:05 am to The Spleen
Germany doesn’t hold back when it comes to their history here. They don’t like it, hell they go after elderly people about to die to stick em in jail if they find out they were involved in the death camps in any way. See that guard they got a year or two ago.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:14 am to The Spleen
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There was no states rights debate prior to the Civil War
The entirety of slavery was a states right issue. It shouldn't have been, but it was
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The entirety of slavery was a states right issue
No, not entirely. In Texas's Articles of Secession they cited certain states in the North's refusal to enforce the Fugitive Slave Act as one reason for seceding, so they were making an argument against states rights.
My point was more about the term "state rights." That didn't really enter the debate's lexicon until the early 1900's. It wasn't a term any of the Southern states used to justify their decisions to secede. The term was created to soften the real reasons they wanted to secede because it sounded better. It wasn't even a term used during the nullification debate in the 1830's, which probably had more to do with states rights than slavery did.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:44 am to weagle99
Nothing happened because they were on vacation.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:48 am to Dam Guide
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Germany doesn’t hold back when it comes to their history here
went to Oktoberfest a few months back and was there for a couple of weeks, did some historical tours, there was no whitewashing or glossing over the atrocities committed by the Nazis/Germans on the tours, the guides repeatedly pointed them out and condemned their actions
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:48 am to weagle99
Frau Merkel was at the celebrations. I can’t remember if it was the one in Portsmouth or in France, but she was there. I believe she has been to a past Victory Day parade in Moscow. So, take that for what it’s worth.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 10:54 am to wadewilson
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Any chance the rebel flag flying baws in the states will?
Any comparison between Nazi Germany and the Confederacy is silly IMO.
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