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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/6/22 at 9:20 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Posted on 4/6/22 at 9:20 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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They are fricking potential targets and I guarantee residents don’t want them there. What a dumbass
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Really? You can guarantee that? Odds are most are gone and it’s not like the Ukrainian military can just pick and chose it’s battle positions.
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Posted on 4/6/22 at 9:52 pm to Centinel
So y’all went thru when everyone got berets?
Just trying to keep it going. Love hearing all the angles the Army tucks you
Just trying to keep it going. Love hearing all the angles the Army tucks you
Posted on 4/6/22 at 10:18 pm to lsu777
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south Georgia
I hate to be that guy but Benning/Columbus is not S.Geogia, it's West Central Georgia.(the same part of Georgia that I live in)
South Georgia doesn't begin till you get to about Americus/Cordele.
Love the story. You guys should of gave that guy a blanket party.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 11:38 pm to doubleb
quote:the maybe 1000 of them who are almost all assuredly dead
Ukrainian Nazis
Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:06 am to xxTIMMYxx
Whatever you say chief.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:26 am to Lonnie Utah
Classic Movie!!
Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:27 am to xxTIMMYxx
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They are fricking potential targets and I guarantee residents don’t want them there. What a dumbass
Oh genius of military strategy please do tell us where the Ukrainians should be placing their city defenses that would not endanger a single civilian building
Posted on 4/7/22 at 6:33 am to WestCoastAg
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the maybe 1000 of them who are almost all assuredly dead
Well according to Russia at the UN on Tuesday every Ukrainian has Nazi nostalgia, walking around with swastika tattoos and greet each other with Nazi salutes...and I really wish I was being sarcastic
Posted on 4/7/22 at 7:26 am to StormyMcMan
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Well according to Russia at the UN on Tuesday every Ukrainian has Nazi nostalgia, walking around with swastika tattoos and greet each other with Nazi salutes...and I really wish I was being sarcastic
Russia admits that it is not fighting actual nazis in the 20th century use of the term. Russia has redefined the term to mean anyone who thinks that Ukraine, as an independent people, even exists. According to the manifesto it released last week, all political, religious, social and military leaders who believe in an independent Ukraine are “Nazis.”
So before anyone spends too much time on looking under rocks for actual nazis in Ukraine, just know that Russia is not using the term in the same manner that we are accustomed to. They have redefined the term to mean everyone who does not consent to total Russian domination.
If anyone actually wants to look for real nazis, Moscow should be the first place to look.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:14 am to TBoy
Kinda like how the left redefined ‘fascists’ to mean anyone they dislike in this country.
Regardless of how they currently define the word, it’s meant to dehumanize their enemy.
Regardless of how they currently define the word, it’s meant to dehumanize their enemy.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:18 am to TBoy
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If anyone actually wants to look for real nazis, Moscow should be the first place to look
Yeah, don't look here!
Everyone TBoy doesn't like is a nazi
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:19 am to RLDSC FAN
The PROOF Putin's soldiers and Wagner mercenaries carried out Bucha atrocities: German intelligence 'intercepts Russian troop messages discussing murders as part of strategy to sow terror'
The barbaric atrocities at Bucha were part of a deliberate Kremlin strategy carried out in part by the feared Wagner Group of mercenaries, intercepted Russian radio transmissions have revealed.
Germany's foreign intelligence service, the BND, has heard messages from Putin's forces discussing the brutal murder of civilians in the city of horrors outside Kyiv, which was recaptured by Ukraine over the weekend.
The transmissions have been linked to specific corpses seen in Bucha, with one soldier talking about how he and his colleagues shot dead someone on a bicycle, while another said: 'First question soldiers, then shoot them.'
The audio messages have been relayed to German parliament by the BND to further debunk baseless Kremlin claims that the bodies were staged by Ukraine after Russia withdrew from the city in a 'monstrous forgery', Spiegel reported.
The wiretap recordings also show that the Wagner Group was present in the city and played 'a key role' in the massacre, and that there are likely similar scenes of slaughter elsewhere in the country.
The shadowy military company which has been linked to a string of killings, rapes and war crimes around the world is known as Putin's private army which carries out his dirty work at an arm's length from the state.
DailyMail Link
The barbaric atrocities at Bucha were part of a deliberate Kremlin strategy carried out in part by the feared Wagner Group of mercenaries, intercepted Russian radio transmissions have revealed.
Germany's foreign intelligence service, the BND, has heard messages from Putin's forces discussing the brutal murder of civilians in the city of horrors outside Kyiv, which was recaptured by Ukraine over the weekend.
The transmissions have been linked to specific corpses seen in Bucha, with one soldier talking about how he and his colleagues shot dead someone on a bicycle, while another said: 'First question soldiers, then shoot them.'
The audio messages have been relayed to German parliament by the BND to further debunk baseless Kremlin claims that the bodies were staged by Ukraine after Russia withdrew from the city in a 'monstrous forgery', Spiegel reported.
The wiretap recordings also show that the Wagner Group was present in the city and played 'a key role' in the massacre, and that there are likely similar scenes of slaughter elsewhere in the country.
The shadowy military company which has been linked to a string of killings, rapes and war crimes around the world is known as Putin's private army which carries out his dirty work at an arm's length from the state.
DailyMail Link
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:22 am to upgrayedd
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Yeah, don't look here!
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Everyone TBoy doesn't like is a nazi ?
Thats been the case the last 6yrs
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:26 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Here’s a good one I saw a few weeks into the conflict. Several anti-aircraft weapons lodged between apartment buildings in residential backyards. This is an actual war crime
It’s not a war crime if the military equipment is within a reasonable distance away from civilians. Based on that picture the artillery is a reasonable distance away from the civilian buildings (if the defenders evacuate the civilians then they are no qualify longer civilian buildings). A competent modern military with forward artillery spotters or using drones as artillery sootters could take out the equipment without hitting the civilian infrastructure. The problem was Russia indiscriminately shelled Mariupol.
Also that has two old ppl who just repeat Kremlin talking points word for word is very suspicious and likely made up propaganda. However, the old couple also admit that the Ukrainians kicked the civilians out of the buildings prior to using civilian buildings for military operations which means the buildings are no longer civilian buildings). Also even if the Ukrainians were using civilians as human shields, it’s still a war crime for Russia to indiscriminately shell the area. An enemy’s nonadherence (not saying that is what happened but that is what you are saying) doesn’t mean Russia is in the clear. It still indiscriminately shelled civilian buildings without knowing if the civilians had been evacuated or not. Which is a war crime. So the Russian propaganda you posted admits that the Ukrainians didn’t commit war crimes even based on your incorrect definition of war crimes because they kicked the civilians out of their homes. It also says Russia didn’t know any of that at the time they shelled the area. Even your propaganda admits Russian and DPR forces committed war crimes.
The Kremlin is really getting ripped off by your posting.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 9:50 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:30 am to WeeWee
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The Kremlin is really getting ripped off by your posting.
I think the Reds are doing fine. They are putting their time in here and I suspect elsewhere. The problem is their “case” is really weak and their “client” is not very reputable.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:34 am to cypher
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The barbaric atrocities at Bucha were part of a deliberate Kremlin strategy carried out in part by the feared Wagner Group of mercenaries, intercepted Russian radio transmissions have revealed.
While we're on about the Wagner thugs and Nazis, it bears mentioning that Wagner was founded by a former Russian soldier named Dmitriy Utkin, who named his group after Richard Wagner, Hitler's favorite composer. Note the tats.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:45 am to cypher
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The barbaric atrocities at Bucha were part of a deliberate Kremlin strategy carried out in part by the feared Wagner Group of mercenaries, intercepted Russian radio transmissions have revealed.
That’s inconsistent with all of the Russian messaging to date. And Russian tactics, with their avoidance of heavy firepower, and the Russian attempts to separate civilians from combatants.
If terror killings were part of the Russian strategy, then it stands to reason we would see this behavior all across Ukraine, everywhere the Russians are fighting.
Instead we get Russian propaganda videos of soldiers handing out rations to civilians, and videos showing the Russians being “kind and generous” to Ukrainian POWs.
The Ukrainians have used terror as a weapon though. This includes calling family members of Russia servicemen to taunt them, torturing and murdering POWs, and then sharing videos of these events.
Together, that makes this allegation very dubious.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:53 am to Lima Whiskey
Yeah, we'd have to see more for "deliberate strategy", but Borodyanka, 14 miles west of Bucha, may be as bad or worse. At any rate, the Wagner guys are in-country and really go to highlight the cynicism of the "Nazi" narrative.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:56 am to Lima Whiskey
This is a really good analysis of Putin's situation. Not sure if this guy is going to turn out to be right, but he has a good track record.
https://geopoliticalfutures.com/how-the-ukraine-war-will-likely-end/
https://geopoliticalfutures.com/how-the-ukraine-war-will-likely-end/
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Economic statistics rarely tell the whole story, of course, but in Russia’s case they fairly accurately present a country that is poorer than it appears, masked superficially by a top layer of the superrich elite. Life in major cities like St. Petersburg and Moscow is luxurious for the wealthy and bearable for the rest. Life in the countryside is something else entirely.
Individual regimes can’t be solely blamed for Russian poverty. The size of the nation, and the difficulties in areas such as transport associated with its size, makes Russia difficult to govern. From the time of the czars, it has been the state rather than shared economic prosperity that has kept Russia together. Often this has been achieved through the security services, which are tasked with maintaining state power, not with building an economy. It’s little wonder that the country that boasted the Okhrana also produced a president who cut his teeth in the KGB. Rightly or wrongly, Russia’s size and inefficiency tend to demand a strong hand.
This has created an expectation that the state will be strong even if the people are poor. There was pride in the czars and in Stalin – the so-called “man of steel.” But for a ruler to govern Russia, they must demonstrate strength. The intellectuals in Russia speak of democracy and human rights. The people want protection against invaders from without and against impoverishing chaos from within.
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The problem, then, is that Putin cannot stop, nor can he reach an agreement with Ukraine that he will keep. Every deal – except for surrender by the enemy – is a revelation of weakness on the part of a weak country and a weak ruler. The only alternatives are ineffective action because the force he sent to war was the wrong force from a country that didn’t have the right one.
He can reach a genuine cease-fire, but if he does, he’s finished. Not being able to defeat the Ukrainians, and held in contempt by others, destroys the myth of his power. Continuing the war endlessly reveals the same thing. As this goes on, Putin’s primary task is to pretend that the defeat is not happening because anything less than victory is a defeat. Every agreement must end in betrayal, and as it happens with guerrillas, they get stronger the longer the war drags out.
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If Putin gives up his position, he is compromised, and perhaps lost. The buzzards are circling. So he must continue to fight until he is forced out and someone else not responsible for the disaster takes over and blames it all on Putin. I think that this can’t end until Putin is pulled from the game.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 10:03 am to Slippy
Having chosen war, Putin doesn’t have a choice but to fight it out and win. I don’t think they’ll settle for anything less than half of Ukraine.
First, they’ve already paid whatever price they were going to pay. Sanctions won’t get worse than they are now. Second, if this is about security, which I believe it is, Russia can’t afford to lose, because it would encourage American attempts to overthrow the government in Moscow, and generally break the country. This is an existential war for Ukraine, but it’s also an existential war for Moscow too.
Russia is an incredibly poor country.
First, they’ve already paid whatever price they were going to pay. Sanctions won’t get worse than they are now. Second, if this is about security, which I believe it is, Russia can’t afford to lose, because it would encourage American attempts to overthrow the government in Moscow, and generally break the country. This is an existential war for Ukraine, but it’s also an existential war for Moscow too.
Russia is an incredibly poor country.
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