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re: It’s no longer legal to charge additional for debit card usage- PSA

Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:35 pm to
Posted by wareaglepete
Siberia
Member since Dec 2012
19827 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:35 pm to
No one to blame. It’s cost of doing business. You folks all want everything for damn free.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
99067 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 12:44 pm to
Today I learned people still use debit cards
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9801 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:02 pm to
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No one to blame. It’s cost of doing business. You folks all want everything for damn free.


Then why blame small businesses that are being transparent with their customers??

The bank charges 3% for you to conveniently use your card so you can pay that or pay in cash so you don't pay the bank charge.

Why do we need government to step in and tell small businesses that they have to hide that from customers by pretending the item just costs more?

If people are so against banks charging 3% to process their card payments why don't they use cash instead of needing to have a pretend world set up for them by another government regulation?

This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 1:11 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
17146 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:16 pm to
Do you ever use an atm?
Posted by wareaglepete
Siberia
Member since Dec 2012
19827 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:23 pm to
I’m not blaming, there’s just a lot of folks, government included that think you can just magically do all this stuff for free.

I agree, government should not be involved as no one is forcing debit card use.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
17805 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:42 pm to
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They should provide card readers to small businesses that don't have a processing fee.

Who is this they? And you do understand this is a *network* fee, and is device independent, right?
And what mysterious payment network that doesn't charge processing fees will your magical reader connect to? Because it won't be Visa, Amex, or MC processing those transactions for free.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9801 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:56 pm to
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Who is this they? And you do understand this is a *network* fee,


If card processing costs are so objectionable that the government needs to pass a law to hide them from people, then government needs to address something other than simply forcing small businesses to be the ones to hide them. That's absurd.

If all the card processing fees are so understandable and fine--and I'm not saying they're not -- then why the hell are people complaining about paying them for the convenience of using their cards?

Why in the world would the government need to make a law that says you can't be honest about a fee?

Who are they trying to help?



This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16747 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:58 pm to
This is incorrect

This only applies to businesses with card machines that were signed up for surcharge pricing which is a fairly old type of account. It violates visa and mc rules. Most are on a dual pricing plan which allows fees on debit cards. Not much will change but there is tons of confusion because news and people are making posts like this without understanding. The state will be overloaded with complaints from people who are being charged fees on their debit cards. Most of them will not apply. This has happened in other states also.
This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
5657 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:59 pm to
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Just fricked alot of small businesses. 3% means alot right now. Impossible market to exist in, glad I got out.


Yep. More and more of the small businesses are going to stop accepting debit cards on large purchases AND raise their prices.

The huge mega-chains have already built this into their pricing strategies.

I wouldn't be surprised if the huge mega-chains were behind this and I can almost bet that they are pushing for more of this in other states and eventually pushing to have credit card fees abolished.

All to push the small businesses and medium chain-stores out of businesses out of the game.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16747 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:04 pm to
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More and more of the small businesses are going to stop accepting debit cards on large purchases AND raise their prices.


No. See above. Most of them are not on a surcharge account as it's pretty old and only allows fees on Cc. Some businesses still do not understand what's going and neither do consumers, the news and pretty much everyone.
This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 2:05 pm
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16747 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:09 pm to
Hopefully this explains it. Most people with CC machines are already on dual pricing. If they were on surcharge MC and Visa and adding fee to debit cards they would have already likely been fined or canceled.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20411 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:14 pm to
Consumers trying to 'Life Hack' CC rewards instead of paying with a different method.
Posted by Nature Boy
Negatiger
Member since Jan 2008
19269 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:37 pm to
This shite is just another example of how Covid policies destroyed the economy and inflated the cost of everything.

Credit card companies have charged their fee on every swipe since credit cards were invented. I don’t ever remember explicitly being charged extra (on top of the advertised price) until costs got out of control and vendors were trying to make sure you knew it was the credit card company’s fault they were so expensive. It was a way to shift responsibility.

The credit card fees have always been built into the cost of doing business until very recently. It’s just become acceptable in the last few years to add an additional surcharge on top of already inflated prices that will never decrease back toward normal levels. Just like asking for a fricking tip on every simple transaction. Probably 80% of purchases are paid on some kind of card these days. Just bake it into your price and spare me the bullshite.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9801 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:44 pm to
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just bake it into your price and spare me the bullshite.


Another way to solve the problem is that they just add the 3% at checkout and spare you the BS.

quote:

Probably 80% of purchases are paid on some kind of card these days
quote:

Covid


You're spot on. Before the pandemic, around 40% of our sales were on cards. Didn't seem like that big of a deal. After the pandemic, around 95% of the sales were on cards. That was all of the sudden an extra $2000 per month for a small business to absorb.


Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5643 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 8:16 pm to
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I use my card for convenience and I pay 3% extra to banks on every purchase I make for that convenience but I want businesses to hide that from me so I can pretend I'm not doing it.



If 3pct is making or breaking you on a dining out experience at a casual restaurant, you need to reevaluate your spending. The better way to save money would be to do things like eat at home, buy a used car, buy a smaller house, etc...
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
1019 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 9:44 pm to
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This is fantastic news for the shareholders of the banking companies that make the credit card systems!


I think the credit card processors want business to add the fee to customer bills. If a business owner is absorbing the cost he’s more likely to shop and negotiate for lower fees, if he passes it on he’s more likely to just pay whatever rate the processor offers and charge his customers a couple % points without really worrying about it. Easier for the processor to just hit them for 3.5% across the board even on transactions they could be paying half that rate on.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
55565 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 11:36 pm to
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I've never seen McDonalds add a "cheese fee" to cheeseburgers.


???? You mean an “official” cheese fee and not just one implied when you see a regular hamburger cost $1.00 and a cheeseburger cost $1.50
Posted by krewerider
Member since Sep 2009
1068 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:11 am to
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Not so great for the small businesses that have to pay a percentage on every card payment they process.


It's called the cost of doing business.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13546 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 4:54 am to
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Who is this they? And you do understand this is a *network* fee, and is device independent, right? And what mysterious payment network that doesn't charge processing fees will your magical reader connect to? Because it won't be Visa, Amex, or MC processing those transactions for free.


Are some of those fees conduits to make good on credit card points, cash back offers, and cover an ever growing issue of fraudulent credit card charges?

I know a company that had its office credit card replaced twice in the same month due to fraudulent transactions being charged to a brand new card.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 6:03 am
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
141761 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 5:08 am to
Yep, somehow we have accepted "fees" on top of pricing as normal. Often several fees.
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