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re: Husband of bride killed by alleged drunk driver after wedding reception reaches $1.37MIL..
Posted on 6/23/24 at 7:29 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 6/23/24 at 7:29 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don’t think bars should be liable for what their patrons do.
If they come in pretty hammered and you are serving them and let them out the door unattended vs you sent service and have your security person give police a ring that she’s trying to leave via motor vehicle— I can see the arguments for the prior having sooooome sort of penalty, but I think it’s standard issue fines for over serving, and maybe other lack of control items unless they were super negligent and pouring her into the car
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 7:33 am to biglego
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just can’t understand these stupid goddamn frickers who not only insist on driving drunk, but then drive crazy while drunk. Anytime I got behind the wheel after a few drinks I drive slower and more carefully than when sober.
It's almost like their judgement is impaired
Posted on 6/23/24 at 7:34 am to NoSaint
In order to effect a DUI arrest, a cop has to show in court certification of training to recognize impairment indicators, conduct roadside sobriety tasks, administers HGN tests, etc. Yet, we want to hold Tiffany the cocktail waitress or Chad the bartender liable because they "over served" some irresponsible a-hole?
Posted on 6/23/24 at 7:38 am to SoFla Tideroller
Seems like it would be more reasonable to make DUI penalties much harsher. However we will not because it is a cash grab for the states.
So here we are with insane litigation. If we just made first time offenders lose their ability to drive for years we would have way less of these cases
So here we are with insane litigation. If we just made first time offenders lose their ability to drive for years we would have way less of these cases
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:00 am to The Third Leg
Drinking and driving is acceptable in 3rd world countries they don't have insurance companies regulating the governmental. Go to Mexico and othe places in cental and s. America. Auto-insurance isn't even an option un less you are a 1% then you just buy a new car, so it's not really a thing.
These countries have very lax laws on drinking and driving unless you kill someone.
So yes the acceptable standards in a 3rd world country and the US is quite different.
These countries have very lax laws on drinking and driving unless you kill someone.
So yes the acceptable standards in a 3rd world country and the US is quite different.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:06 am to Esquire
And the farmer who grew the corn that was used to distill the liquor
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:07 am to DCtiger1
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f you’re a business that serves alcohol in a state like SC, it’s your duty to know the law and properly train your staff to prevent liability as much as humanly possible. Of course you can only do so much, but this is the litigious world we live in.
Take all keys. Make customers blow the intox meter before giving them back. Record the results.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:41 am to Corinthians420
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Not sure why OP supports this
I don't. And I never said I supported it in the OP. It's classic over litigation.
Nice job putting words in my mouth.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:47 am to TDTOM
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Why the rental car company? Seems dumb.
The ambulance chaser knew they have insurance and would kick in at list a little nuisance value to the pot.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:49 am to TigerDeBaiter
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So, you’re only allowed to serve one drink per person? What kind of ridiculous mental gymnastic law is this. By definition many people are intoxicated after one drink. So do they breathalyze each patron after each drink?
I believe this is the law in most states (including Louisiana). It only seems to be enforced in situations like these where someone gets hurt.
I agree with you. Intoxication is legally defined and a fairly low threshold, not an arbitrary behavior level. Establishments are clearly serving legally intoxicated people constantly.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:58 am to Salviati
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The plaintiff merely needs to show the bar served alcohol to a person when they knew the person was intoxicated
Two questions:
1) What is the definition of "intoxicated"?
2) Using that definition, how is an employee supposed to know whether or not every single person in the bar is intoxicated.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:58 am to SoFla Tideroller
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order to effect a DUI arrest, a cop has to show in court certification of training to recognize impairment indicators, conduct roadside sobriety tasks, administers HGN tests, etc. Yet, we want to hold Tiffany the cocktail waitress or Chad the bartender liable because they "over served" some irresponsible a-hole?
Convict someone in a criminal court beyond a reasonable doubt vs civil liability- sure the standards could be pretty different
And by proxy create standards where someone at .09 served 1 drink by the bar compared to someone at .32 served 14 shots are very different conversations about civil liability ((or baseline fines for irresponsible service))
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:59 am to baldona
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Husband of bride killed by alleged drunk driver after wedding reception reaches $1.37MIL..
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Yes I own a LSV (street legal golf cart)
Wondering....do you need to pay some kind of extra road tax (registration) and/or specific LSV liability insurance?
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:02 am to LSBoosie
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2) Using that definition, how is an employee supposed to know whether or not every single person in the bar is intoxicated.
The less enticing answer is bars likely should have a little more and much better trained staff on a practical level
That doesn’t mesh with our own “we all had/have fun partying” spirit but it’s a business dealing solely in mind altering substances and we often leave that to understaffed and uneducated teams to manage
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:03 am to Meauxjeaux
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Take all keys. Make customers blow the intox meter before giving them back. Record the results.
Don't noone fret.... government has solved this problem by mandating all new cars have breathalyzers starting circa 2027.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:08 am to NoSaint
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That doesn’t mesh with our own “we all had/have fun partying” spirit but it’s a business dealing solely in mind altering substances and we often leave that to understaffed and uneducated teams to manage
Looking forward to all the stoners coming out in the defense of the pot shops when stoner accidents occur.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:10 am to Beauregard96
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And golf carts don't belong on roadways
Why not? They’re everywhere down here but only on roads 35 mph and under. Or do you not think motorcycles and mopeds should be on roads either?
Snapper Jacks is still closed, not sure if they’re gonna be able to reopen with the judgement. Different people show their alcohol differently. An alcoholic could be well over the limit and appear ok, so destroying these businesses seems unfair.
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 9:12 am
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:22 am to Tasseo
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Wondering....do you need to pay some kind of extra road tax (registration) and/or specific LSV liability insurance?
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If you have a valid driver's license and golf cart permit, you may drive the golf cart during the day within four miles of your home or business and on secondary highways. Once the golf cart permit and registration document have been issued, you must place the permit decal on the golf cart, and carry the registration document in the golf cart at all times. To receive a golf cart permit, you must do all of the following:
Complete the Golf Cart Permit Registration (SCDMV Form GC-2)
Provide proof of insurance for the golf cart
Provide your valid driver's license number
Pay $5
You may purchase a golf cart permit at any SCDMV branch.
Our apartment garage doesn’t allow carts but we’ll get one as soon as we buy a place.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:43 am to Beauregard96
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And golf carts don't belong on roadways.
They’re quite common on the roads of Folly Beach.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 3:36 pm to UltimaParadox
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If we just made first time offenders lose their ability to drive for years we would have way less of these cases
The BAC level considered "drunk" is far too low for this to be reasonable.
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