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re: Griff specifically mentioned a lot of trades and FA moves are being juggled right now.

Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:09 am to
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
16578 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:09 am to
You are paying way to much for a S&T
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
31328 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:26 am to
Can't believe Leandro bolmaro went at 23, right before the pels would've picked

He is going to be good
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:32 am to
All I gave up was Zo and a pick
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
16578 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:35 am to
And that is way to much.

Sacramento would likely be good getting Miller and a 2nd. Teams executing sign and trades will usually take any kind of compensation, as its better than them losing the player for nothing.

Eta: Also would like to ask, why are you after Bogdan? We already have his skillset/size in Redick and Hart.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 9:38 am
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7206 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:35 am to
quote:

Can't believe Leandro bolmaro went at 23, right before the pels would've picked


didn't someone trade ahead of us to get him..?
Posted by Tigerbait231
Bossier City, LA
Member since Jan 2009
574 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:36 am to
quote:

we have the worst back ups in the league. Hart (who isn't big enough), Miller (if he is healthy) and Melli is just not good depth.


Are you High? Hart is one of the best 6th or 7th men in the league. Melli, while still needing some work, can get hot and torch a team, not to mention he was playing great before COVID.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:44 am to
JJ is 36 so he's not in the long term plans

I'm all for wing guys that can shoot...fits well with Zion

Zo is superfluous with Bledsoe, Hill, Lewis, and NAW and not a guy I want to give a contract too

Bogdan is young, can shoot and has length...would be an excellent off ball piece next to Ingram and Zion. You can play him with Hart.

Not to mention I'd imagine one of Hill and Bledsoe won't be here

I envision Bledsoe being the one that stays and Bogdan pairs well with him IMO

So in reality Zo going to Charlotte with his brother would be enticing to him and MJ and Rozier fits well with Fox and Haliburton
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
16578 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:51 am to
So you want to pay a 27 year old guy that will likely get around 20 million a year, to come here and come off the bench, when we already have multiple guys on the roster that fit that description.

You also would trade away Lonzo AND a 1st to do it?

Leave the gm'ing to Trajan and Griff.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
43542 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:53 am to
quote:

Zion
Kira
Hayes
NAW

none of which are ready for prime time, yes zion included (he's a lost puppy on D). thats 4 children in a league full of grown arse men

pels have their hands full with just them
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
16578 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:54 am to
Exactly why we didn't need to draft 3 more rookies last night.
Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
5927 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:54 am to
I never said a first. I said a pick.

In my scenario he starts...not off the bench

I also am not sure if Bogdan gets $20m/year

And to get him you'd have to give up a guard or two. Bledsoe is on a shorter deal. Hill is in an expiring or maybe a guy you flip later

So Bledsoe - Bogdan - Ingram - Zion - Baynes is my estimated starting five in this scenario. That would work very well in my opinion.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62443 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:55 am to
The Pels would have crushed Summer League this year...
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
10828 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:56 am to
Hart is not a SF. I love his effort, but he is too short and doesn't have the length. Why do we only have one wing over 6'6?

We can't upgrade over Melli? Name another winning team where he would be in the two deep. Given Zion's injury issues, wouldn't it be wise to have a great back up for him?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35335 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:03 am to
The issue is that you guys are looking at this like the team this year will be the "complete" team, or the final iteration of what this team will be.

I could see them signing some vets to short term deals, and maybe making 1 bigger move via trade, but I don't really see them tying themselves to long term salary (other than Ingram, and possibly an extension for Hart).

I could obviously be wrong though.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28703 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Name every single guy picked 31-50 that played significant minutes year one for their team over the past 5 years. Now reduce that by half given this particular offseason.



Significant minutes to me means they played in at least half the games and over 12 mpg. I expect these guys needed time in the G-league, so very few are going to play 82 games, which is why i say half the games. I don't expect them to get the playing time to start the season, but as the season progresses, they earn their minutes.

2019

Bruno Fernando
Cody Martin
Daniel Gafford
Eric Paschall

notables from last year that didn't fit that criteria, Bol Bol, Carson Edwards, Admiral Schoefield. If they played on crappier teams that weren't so deep, they probably fit that criteria, but all three look like they will stick around in the nba for a while.

2018
Devontae Graham
Jalen Brunson
Mitchell Robinson
Kurucs
Shake Melton

and that list doesn't include Gary Trent b/c he only played in 15 games his first year, but has turned into a quality player in year 2.



2017

Wesley Iwundu
Frank Mason III
Semi Ojyele
Jordan Bell
Dwayne Bacon
Tyler Dorsey
Dillon Brooks
Sterling Brown
Sindarius Thornwell

List doesn't include Thomas Bryant b/c he didn't play much his first year, or Monte Morris since he's drafted 51, or Damyean Dotson who only played 10mpg.


Do you need me to keep going 2 more years and list Montrezl Harrell and Zubac and Josh Richardson and Pat Connaughton and Norman Powell and Malcom Brogdon and Joe Harris and Spencer Dinwiddie and Jerami Grant and NIKOLA JOKIC and Jordan Clarkson?

I know all of those guys aren't quality players, but were maybe given minutes on crappy teams. But the point remains, there's guys you can find in the early 2nd round every year that can pan out nicely for you, and give you quality minutes in year 1.
Again, why would you not take the chance? We've made a total of 6 2nd round picks in the last 10 years, and traded away 12 others. I don't care about trading them that much, but i see no point not making more picks in the early 30's. It's like we tried to do it twice with Frank and Diallo, and it didn't work out that great, so we don't ever want to try again. Get better talent evaluators and stop wasting chances.

I do'nt want to hear the "this is a special season" excuse.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
124091 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:45 am to
You do not see the forest through the trees. There’s no point in having this argument at this point.

This draft sucks. Most draft picks in a normal year stink. 2nd round picks hit even less.

And this year is insanely different whether you put your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes about it or not. It is.

Griff did not want to develop 3-5 rookies while still developing Zion, NAW, and Jaxson. He wants veterans on the roster in a unique year.

And he has amassed future picks for a reason.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101831 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:54 am to
Is Silva coming over from Australia this year?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35335 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:57 am to
Right, we have only 4 spots left on the roster. And we're a super young team, he wasn't going to fill those spots with rookies.
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6250 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:58 am to
I don't mind them trading the picks; but I would think the return should be more than a similarly situated pick in a future year. If not, it's like trading $1,000 today for $1,000 in 3 years.
Posted by Dantheman504
N/A
Member since Jun 2013
4984 posts
Posted on 11/19/20 at 11:03 am to
Its possible that we really didn't like anyone after our first pick. Its also possible that we have higher hopes on an undrafted player that may even be cheaper than a 2nd rounder on a 2 way.

Bledsoe/ Hill/ Lewis/ NAW
JJ/ Lonzo/ NAW/ Hart
BI/ Hart
Zion/ Melli
Hayes

That's 11 players. Another center is a guaranteed and a defensive SF is very probable.

Bledsoe and NAW have 3 years on contract. Hill, Lonzo, and JJ could all be gone this next offseason. Atleast 1 of Hill/ Bledsoe is staying. I can also see atleast 1 of Lonzo, JJ, NAW being gone. It makes sense to keep 1 of JJ/ Hill to use the extra cap elsewhere. I also think Lonzo is the odd man out. The only way we keep Lonzo, Hill, and JJ is if we trade Bledsoe.

We need to see how NAW and Hart play at SG. Particularly Hart because he will be up for a contract soon.

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