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Plus if you have Ja + Zion + Trey + Center your #4 player needs to be a shooter.
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I can see the 2026 swap but not both and if it has to be both they have to take DJM's contract.

Next years Swap has a high probability of being Top 4


If you're doing a deal with Milwaukee for their picks back it's because they want to do a reset while riding out Dame's contract which means they need both picks/swaps back. I'm not saying you're wrong about needing to increase the value, just pointing out what they would likely be looking for.
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unless Zion learns how to shoot a 3, then those two bigs playing with him better be jacking up 3's


The Zion + Missi + Olynyk 3 man lineups were -11 Net Rtg.

What were Zion's 2 best 3 man lineups? When he had a PG and a Big
D. Murray - Z. Williamson - Y. Missi: 15.7 NetRtg
K. Olynyk - Z. Williamson - J. Alvarado: 10.4 NetRtg

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Were you honest with him?


Yeah, you have to let them know there's a problem, and if enough people say the same thing, they'll eventually get it.

Voting with your dollars is the biggest thing though. There better not be anybody on this board doing the annual TV subscription instead of the month to month. Being able to cancel that monthly subscription if they go off the rails is about the only way a non ticketholder can send the team a message.

re: Troy Weaver hired to be Senior VP

Posted by TigerinATL on 4/23/25 at 9:30 am
This board is full of dreamers that compare every move the Pels make to the perfect moves they had in mind. As if those were ever on the table.

I don't see this as the Pels hired someone that isn't the cream of the crop. I see this as a sign that Dumars will be in a more senior advisor capacity, which most on the board should like considering their opinion of Dumars. The title is also important as it seems like Bryson would have the same job and should stay.
I don't disagree, but the hope behind Willie from the beginning always was that he would do the player managing and let others handle the areas he wasn't strong in.

It's probably not going to go well. But as a Pelicans fan making the most of a bad situation is usually the best you can aim for.
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How is Dumars supposed to fix him being in way over his head?


By telling him to let his OC run the offense like he was brought in to do? The few times Borrego got to coach the team they looked different. I think BI coincidentally might have been out too, still the difference was notable.
There's also the possibility that Joe could end up being hands on in setting direction with the coaching. Griff wanted to build a sustainable winner, but if you look at his words and actions, his true aim was to build a family of human beings. And he kind of did a good job of that.

I've only seen a few clips of the presser, but if Dumars holds to what he said: doing things the right way win or lose, having high standards, and getting rid of those that don't fit, maybe some of the same pieces, including Willie, perform differently in a different culture.
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who thinks it can’t get better


Look at most owners around the league. It’s a shite show all over. Phoenix, new ownership came in, is fan friendly with free broadcasts of the game, spending on players, and they look like they are going to have to blow it up. Look at the Mavericks’ new ownership that didn’t veto trading the golden goose. We absolutely should be concerned about it getting worse because history says you’re more likely to get a bad owner than a good owner. Good owners are as rare as truly good coaches.

I’m not some Gayle Benson knight by any means, I just think identifying her as a problem is a long way from having a good solution, and ownership is not something that is easy to replace.

Also, to the OP, I don’t think this is about money. Making Griff keep Uncle Al and Dumars keep Willie wasn’t to save a few million, she just didn’t want to fire them for personal/sentimental reasons.

re: WTF was Griff doing in the FO?

Posted by TigerinATL on 4/16/25 at 4:49 pm
The only thing I can think of is they didn't replace Trajan and the 2 higher level people he took with him when he left. It still seems like it would be a bigger FO staff than any pre Gayle staff.
Hopefully they front load the schedule with tough games we would have lost anyway and we can get Interim Coach Borrego after 10 games.
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So people compare Gayle to that. But Gayle is still not a good owner.


Significantly better than Shinn may not be good, but people act like it can't get worse and any change will be better. We've seen worse, it can get worse.

And that's not a defense of her. I really hope the trade Zion trade mandate creates a market instead of turning into a fire sale.
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i think there's been a process going on probably for the past 6 months in preparation of this move.


This probably is not far off, which makes the "the new POBO will decide on Willie" seem silly. I think they are hoping Willie gets hired before they have to fire him to be nice.
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Second, the problem is THE PROCESS.


The Saints took a long time to hit on the Payton/Brees combo, but they did. Just because the process is bad doesn't mean it's hopeless. Broken Clock, Blind Squirrel, etc.

Since this is supposed to be a positive thread, here is Shams spreading propaganda about how Dumars' gravitas maybe can get through to Zion.

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If they don't trade Zion they need to replace Willie for sure. Maybe Dumars and a hard nosed coach can get more out of him like Coach K and SVG did.
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To basically finalize a deal less than 24 hours after firing Griffin is insane


Or maybe Dumars is the one that put the bug in Gayle's ear to fire Griffin. Griff fired before Willie really is surprising to me. I was fully expecting Griff to survive...unless the team decided to trade Zion.
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They dont give 2 shits about privacy.


They've put a good bit of planning and resources into privacy related infrastructure in this regard. They run a hybrid local/anonymized cloud/regular cloud AI setup while everyone else is sending everything to the regular cloud.

What Apple needs to do is use one of the open source models like Deep Seek until they can get their own solution up to speed.
People like to reduce GMing down to tactics and strategies, but it is so much more than that. Relationships are a big part of the equation and Dumars is as connected as anyone.

BUT, connections are only one part of the equation. I would be very concerned if the plan was "Dumars is the best person on the market to save us". The only plan that isn't terrible is exactly what you suggested. "We really believe in Bryson Graham and Joe is the kind of senior advisor that can help him succeed."

I'm not saying that's a great plan, but any other plan than that and this is a terrible move. Even if you like what Dumars had to pitch about fixing the team, you still go out and get other pitches.
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Trading Zion and keeping Willie puts this team on the relocation timeline.


Relocation only makes money for one owner and takes an open market off the market. Expansion makes money for all owners and the more open markets there are the more they can charge to expand.

I get that you're saying interest would be so low as to kill the franchise, but local revenue is becoming less and less important to team success. A rebuild here might kill this board and turn us all into casual fans, but I don't think it will kill the Pelicans.