TigerinATL

The Pels have about 6 weeks to complete a thorough investigation and make a decision.

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Example trade, and here the money works, not sure about the assets for everyone to say yes.

Bucks: Sengun, Jalen Green, picks from Pels
Pels: Shepherd, Dillon Brooks, Tari Eason
Rockets: Giannis, CJ, Herb

This actually seems like a pretty good trade. I think the Pels might be the most reluctant in this situation. The Rockets give up a lot, but they are getting an MVP and I bet Giannis would much rather play with CJ and Herb than any of the talented but young Rockets going out in this trade.

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Yall are high as frick if you think the Bucks are giving up Giannis and not getting 2

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Yeah, the Pels aren't getting what they want from the Spurs or Bucks. They would have to do something like add what they get facilitating the Giannis trade to Herb and CJ and maybe get back someone like Ja. I don't know if you could actually pull that off, but that's a lot closer to happening than #2.

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I believe Zion is out no matter what.

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I saw an old clip of Dumars on twitter when he was announced where he was talking about Chauncy Billups coming to the Pistons and how he got him at the right time. Had he gotten him earlier in his career he wouldn't have been ready to listen.

I'm not saying Zion is ready to listen, but I do think Joe will look at this and wonder if he can do for Zion what he did for Chauncy. And Dumars is the kind of old school guy that Zion seems to respond to.

I don’t think we get a Zion for Giannis swap. I do think we are prime candidates for facilitators, and if we don’t give them their picks back they probably don’t look for a reset lowering the value of those picks. Meaning we probably want to be facilitating a Giannis trade.

Yeah, I've never gotten the claims of coddling. The team and Zion's camp were basically in a blood feud for a year or 2. The team chose to stop Zion from advancing his rehab to teach him a lesson rather than let him play his way into shape and make the Playin.

Did they demand respect the way we think someone like Riley would be able do? No, but that's not the same thing as coddling.

To me the "where it all went wrong" moment in the Griff era was picking Ingram over SVG. I'm not saying Stan was a great coach, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that 2 old school, hard asses seem to have gotten the most out of Zion. I would hope someone as old school as Joe Dumars recognizes that. Neither Willie or Borrego are the coaches you need if they are keeping Zion.

Plus if you have Ja + Zion + Trey + Center your #4 player needs to be a shooter.

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unless Zion learns how to shoot a 3, then those two bigs playing with him better be jacking up 3's

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The Zion + Missi + Olynyk 3 man lineups were -11 Net Rtg.

What were Zion's 2 best 3 man lineups? When he had a PG and a Big
D. Murray - Z. Williamson - Y. Missi: 15.7 NetRtg
K. Olynyk - Z. Williamson - J. Alvarado: 10.4 NetRtg

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Were you honest with him?

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Yeah, you have to let them know there's a problem, and if enough people say the same thing, they'll eventually get it.

Voting with your dollars is the biggest thing though. There better not be anybody on this board doing the annual TV subscription instead of the month to month. Being able to cancel that monthly subscription if they go off the rails is about the only way a non ticketholder can send the team a message.

I don't disagree, but the hope behind Willie from the beginning always was that he would do the player managing and let others handle the areas he wasn't strong in.

It's probably not going to go well. But as a Pelicans fan making the most of a bad situation is usually the best you can aim for.