Dantheman504

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a bust. Accept reality that he is not a franchise cornerstone 

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I'm pretty sure just about everyone has accepted he's not a franchise cornerstone. Not being a franchise cornerstone also does not = bust.

Not many busts with a 24pt/ 6reb/ 4ast/ 1stl career average.

Previously overweight, immature, and unhealthy? Sure.

A dude who puts up those stats when healthy while not having any shot development + mediocre handles is a far way from a bust.

The top redraft players from his draft class are Herro/ Garland/ Ja/ RJ Barrett/ Colby W/ Z. You can make an argument Z is still #1.

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where they go all out and that takes time to set up. Event spaces, flowers, cars and limos, food, etc. So they usually wait a week or more to have the event.

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That was a really long paragraph to state that some groups plan everything ahead of time and others don't. This comment makes no sense because it implies other groups don't do those same things. Yes, people who have funerals 2 days after death still have spaces, flowers, cars, food, etcc.

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If the situation is under control, why are they asking for help?

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That's not what that says. It says the WHO is asking Russia for information about the plague death and Russia said its under control. And the word help isn't even in the paragraph. Fake news.

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This is just not true.
He's a middle-tier starter that his previous teams couldn't figure out what to do with.

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Surely you aren't letting your recency bias impact your overall view of Dejounte..

Can you give me your honest opinion of what "middle-tier starter" has been traded for (5) 1sts, a swap, and a lottery pick?

SAS traded Murray to maximize his value because he was an all star level player averaging 21pts/ 9reb/ 8ast and was seen as the exact opposite of whatever you just fabricated.

Just because the Hawks decided it was smart to pair 2 PGs who don't work together and then he tore his achilles doesn't just diminish him to a random mid NBA player.

SAS knew exactly what to do with Murray but were rebuilding so they traded him at high value.The Hawks traded every player on their roster including their #1 pick. Not a single player on their team is still there but yeah they didn't know what to do with just Murray, had nothing to do with the poverty franchise or dumb roster building.

Google would say you are wrong as well:

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Dejounte Murray is generally not considered a "mid" player by NBA standards, but he is often viewed as a fringe All-Star or high-tier starting guard rather than a true elite superstar.

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He is a former NBA All-Star, has led the league in steals, and has multiple seasons averaging over 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists per game. That production is well above average.

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So is it recency bias or is it because he is an NBA player for the Pelicans? I'm sure if he was on any of the remaining 29 NBA teams he'd be viewed higher.

Under 40 wins and little improvement from our new players would make me question the FO.

Success for me is based more on Fears/ Queen/ Mathurin/ Bey and less on Z/ Herb/ Trey.

It would be silly to measure failure based on Z/ Herb/ Trey as they were already part of a failed past time, have nothing to do with current FO moves, and have proven that none are true leaders/ closers/ clutch players up to now.

This is why I'm pretty stoked for the season. Happy to see Fears/ Murray/ Queen/ Bey/ Mathurin and view anything from Trey/ Z/ Herb/ Missi as a bonus.

If either of Trey/ Z actually live up to the hype along with getting a prime Murray back then we are in a very good position for the future.

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I can expect 32 wins and still call 38 wins and missing the play in a failure of a season, those 2 things do not contradic t each other.

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They do not contradict each other, its also not what I was referencing. If we win 44-48 games and get eliminated as the 7/8th seed due to injuries, a game winning shot, or bad play from Z for example then its hard to call that a failure of a season.

No one expects us to win a championship. You are now hedging success as getting eliminated 0-4 vs the absolute closest thing to it in my example.

There has to be realistic expectations, if you expect us to get outplayed by a Spurs/ OKC team in the 1st rd then is losing a close play in game that much less of an achievement?

We are also one of the Top 5 youngest teams in the NBA. Going from 26 wins to a competitive play-in game is very successful for our young players and development comparably.

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But I'd call that a successful transaction, not a successful season on the court.

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The specific question was "successful year". And then followed up by "what would make you question the FO".

Making a final assessment on Zion/ Murray, Fears/ Queen looking great, and going from 26 to 44+ wins would be a successful year comparably.

And doing those things should give people peace of mind regarding Dumars/ Weaver instead of questioning them.

The Pelicans might be the only fan base that could win double the games from the previous season, have all their young players look good, and still act like we are going backwards. Even Browns fans aren't that dramatic.

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last season...we won 26 of them.

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The Saints were 1-15 in 1980, go wear a paper bag for the rest of your life.

Last season. last season. Last season. Its not last season, Its this season.

Did we frick up swapping out Hawk for Mathurin? Hiring Mosley/ Shammgod? Having our players the happiest they've ever been to be here? We are actually building a real culture and not some fabricated bullshite from the Griffin era.

Yeah i get it we attached a 2nd with Hawk. The way we did it was stupid. If we traded Hawk and 2 2nds for Mathurin during last season it would have been applauded.

How about being happy we hit on 2 lottery picks in the same year when we are essentially 1/7 the past 13 years?

Nerlens Noel #6
Buddy Hield #6
Zion #1
Jaxson Hayes #8
Kira Lewis #13
Dyson #8
Jordan Hawkins #14

We could have drafted a Hawk/ Hayes #7 and not even gotten trip dub Queen but yeah Dumars/ Weaver are doing just terrible.

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Boy do I have some news for you

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Are you going to give some hypothetical where we traded away 18 y/o Lebron for Queen? Or that we missed out on Wemby with the 2nd traded with Hawk? All bullshite and based on a hypothetical worst case scenario.

I think you are confusing preferences and opinions with the phrase "actually frick something up".

Queen being a bust, trading away future picks for a shitty player, giving Z $60mil a year right now, etch. Those are actually fricking something up.

Convincing yourself we missed out on hypothetical generational talents no matter what decisions were made is a personal mental issue and not something that can be discussed or argued.

Someone argued that if Queen becomes the best player in NBA and wins us championships that we still "lost the trade" due to positional value given up. Can't make this shite up if i tried.

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get rid of the wildcard round; it's absolutely crazy for teams to play 162 games and have a division winner have to play their second place team in a 3-game series to see who moves on

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You think that's crazier than the 4th ranked team getting a bye? They should go 1-6 for seeding and get rid of the Division seeding. You shouldn't get a bye if you finish 4th after 162 games playing in a weaker division.

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Most optimistic Dejounte has been about the org since he got here.

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The dude spent 2 years on the Hawks hearing that they will trade him, then he gets traded and tears his Achilles. So he should have some optimism after 3 years of struggles.