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Dantheman504
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| Registered on: | 6/29/2013 |
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re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/14/26 at 5:17 pm to BallHawk
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So, again, we are a in better position to improve the roster this offseason if don't make the Poole trade or exercise options with Hawkins.
This could not be further from correct...
The value of Poole/ Hawk is currently $50mil in assets.
The value of no Poole/ Hawk is $0.
Poole/ Hawk allow us to take back $50mil that would otherwise be $0.
If we don't make the Poole trade or pick up Hawk then we are actually in the worst possible scenario. We'd have $0 spending money and no Bey.
Would you rather have $50mil and Sadiq Bey or absolutely nothing?
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re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/14/26 at 2:26 pm to BallHawk
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but I think the fact that most teams have already gotten their rosters ready to go for the most part and we haven't added a new player at all.
But there's logical reasons for this. Brown/ Mitchell are the only 2 rumored targets that were moved. So just about anyone we were interested in has not been traded... Its not like every single player involved in Pels rumors are gone, traded, taken, etccc.
We have 1 roster spot at the moment and no money. Do people think we can just sign anyone without money or roster spots?
Is there an actual reason why people don't think we make a move beside being impatient and pessimistic? That's rhetorical, the answer is no.
Yes other teams are making trades. Other teams might also have to clear space or rearrange assets BEFORE we make trades with them.
I'm sure these perfectly logical explanations will be seen as "extreme unrealistic optimism" while people blindly deny it for absolutely no legit reason whatsoever.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/14/26 at 1:55 pm to XLR84Speed
Are people really posting "I would like to think there has to be a move in which this front office makes" less than a month into a 4 month offseason like its a day before the season starts. Giving me a headache.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/14/26 at 1:15 pm to XLR84Speed
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So we were fighting for a 37 year old player. LMAO.
We were fighting for a player coach that can have a large impact on (2) of our important pieces that just so happen to play the most important position in modern basketball.
We "wasted" $3mil space that would otherwise end up #15 without playing time or just cap space.
Are we now upset that Gayle pays extra money for assets instead of keeping the $3mil change?
Of course there are only (2) narratives. Gayle is cheap or incompetent. Making a decision that's best for player development is not an option bevause its a positive spin.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 6:22 pm to XLR84Speed
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Would you bet your life savings on this?If the answer is yes I have respect for you.
On Dumars mainly doing good things?
Queen= good
Fears = good
Bey= good
Zion= played 62 games instead of 20-40.
I'm sorry are we NOW arguing that the result matters and the process doesn't? Ironic.
Dumars gets no credit for a shitty process with a good result and now he gets no credit for a good process with shitty results? And everything is a negative? Just sounds like Dumars doesn't get credit for anything unless its negative.
1. No players requesting a trade
2. Players look healthier than previous year
Does anyone actually think we went backwards, got worse, or lost assets? We retained everyone important, added Fears/ Queen, and flipped an undrafted player for assets.
Adding (3) franchise starters in (1) offseason + trading an undrafted player for 2 picks + retaining all major assets might be the best offseason in Pelicans history. That really isn't an exaggeration, its a sad truth but not really exaggerated.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 12:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
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but you're being illogical
I am one of the few people here who are actually logical and unbiased.
Just in your example you claimed I'm taking a "positive outlook" when in reality its just what the frick is actually going on and everyone else is taking a "negative outlook".
I was labeled a "Jose hater" for logically and unbiasedly explaining that he will be traded and why.
I logically and unbiasedly argued Dyson > Hawk due to elite skillsets.
I logically and unbiasedly argued BI taking more 3's on a contract year where he said he would.
Almost every argument I've made has been unbias/ logical met with emotional and predetermined opinions based on bias.
Even the few less logical things I've said are greatly exaggerated. Like us having "3 all stars". No we will probably not have 3 all stars, yes Murray, Zion, and Trey could be all stars.
I say things like "We could be doing this because" and then present a logical reason while the responses are nothing more than "This is incorrect because its impossible for us to do something logical".
Yeah if you just blatantly write off anything logical then it makes sense why everything I say is illogical.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 11:37 am to Fun Bunch
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He simply cannot comprehend this
No, I cannot comprehend that a process is more important to y'all than the result of the process.
Y'all would rather a good process with a bad result > a bad process with a good result.
I understand what y'all are saying, but its bassackwards and quite nuckingfuts.
The process is not more important than the result.
re: The Wright pick
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 11:27 am to Snipe
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Yes there is.
The only thing publicly said was that Loomis "expects more from him".
And then people claimed that a mid 4th rd OG was drafted to compete/ replace him after passing up on the Top 30 OL. Which doesn't add up if the need is that big.
That's just not how it works, wishful thinking at best. Its more likely that Ruiz sucks and Wright is still worse > Wright ending up better than Ruiz.
Loomis saying "they expect more" not only sounds like they plan to keep him but also confirms that they believe his ceiling is higher than fans believe.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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So you think it's a profitable decision to call an all-in on the river hoping for a 2-outer IF that 2-outer hits?
I'm saying that if its profitable its profitable. If you win the money did you lose because of the process? Flawed logic.
We are also using an example that most people make out of emotion or the influence of substances... The guy in charge of a multiple billion dollar org probably put a little more thought in that process which should lead to credit instead of a blatant goodluck vs badluck opinion.
Its more comparable to a card counter that is making such a decision.
That changes the risk and it also changes the view of the process.
You'd have more confidence in the card counter at that point and not less. The logic is flawed.
Now if you view that person as an average Joe (pun intended) instead of a pro then it can lead to a view that its pure luck. But Joe is not a random person and many here refuse to accept his knowledge and decision making as a professional running a billion dollar team.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 10:53 am to Fun Bunch
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The process of the trade itself can be bad, while the end result can be good.
We have gone over this ad nauseam. The TRADE is the process + result. You cannot logically have a bad trade with a good result.
That is blatantly rephrasing a good trade as "a bad trade with a good result"
Bad process/ good luck doesn't matter. The trade itself was not a bad trade regardless of the process.
Y'all are setting the future precident to label every single good thing as "good luck" or leave room to blame the process instead of the outcome.
Y'all are saying it is more logical to not make a trade than to make a successful trade due a bad process. That's really dumb.
Oh and y'all are doing this WHILE crying for us to make trades. You really can't make this shite up..
"I hope Dumars finaly shakes things up"
"I can't believe Dumars shook things up"
"He made a bad trade because he's incompetent"
"He made a good trade because he's lucky"
"Please make a trade Dumars"
"I can't believe Dumars made a trade"
"I can't believe this franchise has been doomed for 25 years"
"Dumars is the reason our franchise is doomed".
"I really wish we would start upgrading players"
"I can't believe Dumars traded a 28 y/o bench player for assets"
He really can't do anything without y'all getting upset and he's mainly doing good things.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:55 am to PrimeTime Money
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It’s an indicator of how he will run the team. And although this instance it may have worked out, it’s due more to sheer luck than competence, and doesn’t inspire confidence that he’ll make savvy moves going forward.
So we are upset that we do nothing and sit on our stars for 10+ years? Then a guy comes in and does everything we want him to and its a bad thing?
And now that's a NEGATIVE indicator of how he will run the team? Its a negative indicator to squire young assets with an incredibly high ceiling?
The problem is y'all care about value and I care about acquiring good basketball players.
Since Dumars has been here he as added 3 good basketball players. So yeah imagine a guy coming to the Pels org, adding 3-4 key assets within 1 season, and fans saying he's incompetent or can't be trusted...
Incompetent/ can't be trusted compared to who? Anyone else in franchise history? The hate just doesn't make sense.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:49 am to TFTC
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Is it possible that they just wanted to lock him in for the two years and were willing to eat the relatively small cost it takes to do that?
Yes, that would be logical but this is Pels talk. Logic is not logic and pure incompetence is the only logical explanation.
The reason it doesn't make sense is because we are at the tax line already so its seen as a "waste of money".
Its not a waste of money if the plan is to unload Poole/ Hawk and recoup the difference back.
The melts on here are due to people assuming the worst and believing that we will not trade Poole/ Hawk, we are out of money, and no other moves will happen.
We will eventually make moves and these same people will shite on them no matter what.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
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Any person with reason and logic can think this way.
No it is not logical to think that a draft # is comparable to real sample size data from real players.
Pick #20 is not a logical comparison to a player averaging 20/10/10.
Wow.
Here's a fun little snippit:
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The average draft pick of NBA rookies who record multiple triple-doubles in their first year is Pick 4.2
Real sample sizes- Not logical
The number twenty three- Logical value that all trades can be based on.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:34 am to CP3forMVP
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I'm starting to wonder what relation Dantheman has to Dumars because good lord
I'm just simply being unbias. I'm not happy with how things are right now or that there isn't a clear plan but I also like the things we are doing.
1. Queen/ Fears/ Bey are awesome.
2. DJ is extremely beneficial for Missi/ Queen.
3. Benching Z for players with the hot hand was a step in the right direction last year.
4. Getting a full season of Murray is exciting.
frick me for understanding the bad things but actually being excited about the good things?
Y'all act like there are no good things happening and that's beyond pathetic.
Y'all also act like Dumars caused all of this when he's done more good than bad and isn't even responsible for half the shite y'all blame him for.
re: The Wright pick
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:27 am to Snipe
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but if you haven't picked up on the staff and GM, they are very disappointed in Ruiz and his spot in wide open for challengers
Actually, I haven't. Is there proof of this? From what I've seen the FO likes Ruiz and believes he can get back to top form.
We didn't draft a 4th rd OG to replace the 1st rd pick that can start at both C/OG who happened to have a bad season coming off a top 30 season...
We would have drafted that guy in the 1st-3rd. The second we didn't do that it pretty much confirmed we are rolling with Ruiz.
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but lets not kid ourselves, Ruiz's peak form was less than expected from a 1st round draft pick
Yes this is true but he was a Top 30 OG in 2024 and 13th/ 81 in Pass pro last year. Lets not kid ourselves, the dude is a mid level starter at worst and isn't nearly as bad as fans make him out to be.
We are talking about a 1st rd OG who at worst is middle of the pack as our #5 OL. Our #5 OL was #13th in pass protection and we think this isn't acceptable. Would (5) all pro OL satisfy? Ruiz would be starting for most NFL teams if we let him go.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:20 am to Fun Bunch
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The Queen trade was objectively bad.
Queen the player can turn out to be good.
Its crazy that people actually think this way. "The trade was bad but the player ended up winning 10 championships so it wasn't the worst"
Queen is putting up Triple dubs/ 30-20 games and the other 2 players have not done shite.
On top of that, Queen has been ranked anywhere from #5-#10 on a redraft for a record breaking rookie class...
The dude is #6 in some redrafts and we traded #23/ #8???
Y'all might be the most dishonest group of people on this site and that's saying alot considering other boards..
re: The Wright pick
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 9:08 am to Snipe
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Likely so however, Ruiz's pass pro is arse too,
Do you have stats to back this up or are we just throwing shite at a wall? That was rhetorical.
quote:.
"Ruiz earned a 73.1 pass-blocking grade (ranking 13th among 81 qualified guards) and allowed only 19 total pressures—including 3 sacks and 2 hits—across 856 offensive snaps. This success translated to a top-6 pressure rate among starting right guards
Ruiz could play mediocre this year and Wright could either replace him next year or suck and we are back to square one.
OR Ruiz could get back to 2024 levels and the melts on here would be hilarious when we extend him 3-4 years.
Wright is battling Radunz for the backup OG1 spot.
re: The Pelicans apparently messed up the Deandre Jordan contract
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/13/26 at 8:59 am to BallHawk
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The Dumars tenure
The good:
Drafting Fears
Signing McGowens
Signing Jordan last year
"The bad:"
The Queen trade- Wasn't Bad.
The Poole trade (yes even though we got Bey)- Yeah that's not how that works, you are just blatantly refusing to give credit here.
The Willie Green fiasco- Started before Dumars and may have been over his head.
The Hawkins option being picked up- TBD, if its for a trade then its not bad.
Jose trade- Undrafted with 0 impact here that gave us 2 2nds. Denial on this one.
So the only truly "bad" things Dumars has done since being here is:
1. Not leaning into a full rebuild
2. This Jordan contract
3. Original Pacers trade
Pacers trade is what it is.
if we add other assets or plan to trade Poole/ Hawk then that extra $2mil cost is absolutely meaningless for DJ.
If there's a make or break rebuild plan then cool, clearly that's the biggest concern.
I'll get attacked for this but DJ @ $4mil is worth more to us than Jose @ $5mil. Jose isn't teaching Murray/ Fears shite because they are way better than him. DJ can atleast help develop Queen/ Missi.
re: Dr. Phil talking about UFO’s over nuclear facilities
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/10/26 at 12:22 pm to hawgfaninc
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You're hearing this from me first.
This information has been circulating for atleast 5-10 years. Probably closer to 15-20 years.
re: It's GAMEDAY Twolves Pelicans coming up in Vegas Summer League
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/10/26 at 8:57 am to New City Champ
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Some good flashes out there from Peavy, Dickinson and Nowell. Bufkin looks like a vet who is a cut above the competition, which he is.
The crazy thing is that Bufkin is the vet at only 23 y/o. Dickinson, Peavy, and Nowell are 25, 26, and 27 y/o. Very possible Bufkin could be a late bloomer and didn't put it together between injuries and getting minutes at 19-20 y/o.
Could be nothing but if this 2nd game looks the same then I'd give him a contract.
He's younger than Jose when we drafted him and was the #15 pick compared to 2nds/ undrafted players.
re: It's GAMEDAY Twolves Pelicans coming up in Vegas Summer League
Posted by Dantheman504 on 7/9/26 at 2:05 pm to BallHawk
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I’m watching. What channel? League pass?
Streaming from the East.
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