Dantheman504

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or, and let's use some common fricking sense here, i'd rather get an all-star caliber wing to play with Trey, while Bey comes off the bench

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Timeout. Are you creating a random scenario where we trade Zion and then add that $30mil wing?

Nawlins thinks we are worthless so we shouldn't upgrade C.

You think Zion is worthless so instead of upgrading C we should get a Zion replacement.

Here's the problem: Zion is on the team, we aren't trading him, and the plan is to indeed be competitive or make a playoff push.

Both of your opinions have absolutely nothing to do with the current team or plan.

The reality is that Z is staying and we have (1) hole on the team being Center. This thread was about upgrading that player because its our one missing piece.

The thread is NOT about what you think we should do completely irrelevant to what we are actually planning to do.

I guess I should have said "based on what makes sense with the current roster and timeline".

I think we should get Lebron James on the team instead of Hawkins. See I can also give irrelevant opinions that have nothing to do with the current situation at hand.

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Is DQ going to primarily play the 4?

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Yes DQ will play the 4.

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if so, why the frick is Zion still on the team?

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Because a 22ppg/ 6reb/ 2ast player is better to have than to not have? Plus low trade value.

Are you saying we would be better off with just Queen/ Karlo > Zion/ Queen/ Karlo? There isn't a scenario where we trade Z for that magical player.

You being upset about Zion's existence has absolutely fricking nothing to do with getting an upgraded center.

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Giving away first round picks for old and/or average to below average centers in a year where our over/under is a hard 28.5 is how losers stay losers.

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Yes, upgrading the worst position on your team that is the main cause of your struggles is how losers stay losers. And being a loser without trying to improve is how you become a winner!

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There is far, FAR more evidence that our core will not be a playoff team than there is evidence we will suddenly flip the switch and win 40+ games

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Really? Where is this data that can show the future impact of Queen/ Fears/ Missi along with the addition of Mathurin, Murray, and a true rim protector shooting 38% that can properly space?

Please show that data!

Have you ever thought maybe you are just being slightly pessimistic in your overall assessment?

Btw you've refused to acknowledge the entire scenario where it isn't a lottery pick and we end up with a Hayes/ Hawk draft pick. Crazy, its almost like you are avoiding that very logical point that would otherwise make the Turner move look great!

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Don’t be emotional.

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I’m saying that giving up first round picks in an attempt to go from 26 to 37 wins at best

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I’m saying don’t give up assets for Myles Turner in 2026 with the notion that it’ll make a big difference this season - it won’t.

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You do realize I laid out several legit reasons why it makes sense and would be great for the team beyond just getting Turner?

Meanwhile everything you just said is based on emotion and without a single shred of defense other than blindly saying "it won't help us and won't make a difference".

You are also saying that we shouldn't upgrade because we aren't good enough to upgrade which is hilarious.

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For the cost and his age i wouldn't give up assets to take on a big contract for a declining player with a huge trade kicker. Eazy Pass

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I think the perception of where fans think that pick lands plays a huge factor into this.

If you view this as losing a Top 5-10 pick for 2 years of Turner then sure that makes sense. If its Lottery protected first and theres a chance that players is Hayes, Hawk, or a project that needs 3 years to develop then I think y'all are dead wrong.

If we are talking current need, value, and overall positive influence on the team then yes Myles Turner is more valuable than a 15-30 pick that may not do shite until 2030.

Can't let past trades influence the future. Leave your feelings about Dyson, Murray, Queen, and BI trades at the door. We didn't have the assets and abilities we have now.

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There is no center available who is changing our destiny this year.

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Securing a playoff spot and being competitive in the playoffs would be huge for the team, fans, etccc.

(1) protected 1st is 100% worth building a playoff team/ culture within the franchise.

You also want to see what works and what doesn't. If getting Myles Turner assures us that a stretch big who can shoot 3's is what's needed going forward then at a worst we aren't wasting 5+ more years on rim runners and bigs that camp in the paint.

12 pts/ 6 reb/ 2 blcks and spacing is worth a protected 1st for this team. And that can be closer to 15/8/3.

What else is worth a draft pick if not upgrading our worst position on both offense and defense?

If we were blowing it up then I'd agree but if you plan to be competitive then you go get the best players you can get with fair value assets.

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Zion ultimately will have the ball in his hands in those games where he's dominant, but he'll dribble it off his foot or fall down and then we'll ask Murray/Fears to do it the next game.

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So Z is indeed expected to be that guy and he may fail? Cool that's what I've been saying!

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Zion/ Trey are expected to be our best players and take game winning shots.
Well that's b/c we have a shitty roster.

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So Yes? Thank you.

It seems you are more angry that this is the reality > trying to argue the existence of that reality.

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You have me mixed up with Teddy.

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Need the Spiderman meme in here. I responded to both of yall in that message, wasn't all meant directly for you.

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You don't think any f Zion's previous 3 head coaches ever expectd hi to do more?

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Of course they did.

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Jamahl is the first head coach Zion has had that has expected him to do more? He is what he is.

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No, he would be the last.

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i hope you are referring to actually having the ball in their hands with under a minute left and needing to get a basket, whether we are winning or losing at that time, and not simply talking about being on the court "closing" out the game.

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Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. Are you under the impression it would be someone other than those 2 guys?

It seems like you are just regurgitating your stance that they have not proven to do more and therefore won't. And again, I'm not disagreeing.

They are 100% expected to be the guys with the ball in their hands at the end of games. That's the argument. I never once said they will succeed, they are indeed expected to be those guys and yes the coach expects them to succeed.

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And you thinking they are magically going to be able to when they've proven that's not part of their nba arsenal is a you problem. 

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The problem is you think I'm expecting them to be able to do it when I literally said I have 0 expectations. The coaches, team, etcc is expecting them to do it, I'm just acknowledging those are the guys we are expecting to step up. I was responding directly to a comment referencing that.

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I would think Poole and a pair of seconds for Turner is a win for both teams.

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Ending up with Turner/ Mathurin using Poole/ Hawk/ 2nds would be a heist.

I get what you are saying but your opinion is solely based off past seasons and history. Both guys are 26 y/o and starting their prime.

Saying they are both maxed out is nothing more than an opinion and a ridiculous one considering their age and ceiling.

Trey has not developed a full game and can't create his own shot yet. He could easily do more.

Zion only drives to the goal and still struggles with his handles while doing so. If he cleans that up he's already better. If he develops any type of shot then watch out.

Those are things that both are capable of regardless if they have done it up to this point.

And yes, our 2 best scorers/ players are expected to close out games. Whether you choose to deny that simply because you don't like it or cant imagine it is a you problem.

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Pelicans need someone who can close out games. We don’t have that on the roster

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You expect Zion/ Trey to step into this role or they are gone. Fears can be that guy. Healthy Murray makes a difference there.

We are highly underestimating Bey/ Mathurin on good nights IMO. Both those dudes can pop off for 25-30pts.