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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:34 am to fr33manator
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:34 am to fr33manator
quote:I can't say I disagree with your overall assessment. But S8E5 honestly was one of their better outings. Call it the best of their flawed work.
You really think this is the way he had it playing out? D&D saw that people had used the clues from the books to get a good idea of how it would play out, then changed it so they “wouldn’t be predictable.” Sure, the fat man deserves some criticism for not finishing his story in a timely manner, but after reading that HBO cleared them for 10 episode seasons, it’s cleat that D&D rushed, condensed, left out and altered integral parts of the storytelling in order to finish sooner. They’ve turned this from a cerebral tale of human flaws and political intrigue into a Michael Bay film.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:34 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Are you serious with this? Giving someone your word, and then going back on it is basically the definition of betrayal
He told her straight to her face that he was going to tell his family the truth.
What are you talking about?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
delete
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:35 am to Adam Banks
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She has given ample time for the people to turn on Cersei and the Lannister army.
again, this is forced bullshite that makes no sense
in no area of her past have the "common people" just given up on life without her killing the ruling class. well except for Drogo's khal, and she had like 10 people following her then (after a fricking miracle to boot)
Asatpor, Yunkai, Mereen, etc. she killed the ruling class first and the people followed her lead (in Mereen the slaves did let her in first, but they didn't fully follow her until the rulers were killed). "normal" Dothraki didn't follow her, only the khal, so that is not comparable.
so even within the story, it makes no sense that the people of KL would just rise up against Cersei. she has never seen this happen before in her entire existence so it's utterly stupid that she'd expect this to happen. what justification is there, given her history, to expect this?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:36 am to Adam Banks
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When she specifically asked him not to he spread the bit of information that would ruin her. What else can you call that?
This isn't betrayal. It's her not getting her way.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:37 am to Adam Banks
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Tyrion purposefully kept knowledge from her because he’s questioning her judgement.
that's not betrayal
he's her hand. sorting out information to give to her is one of his primary jobs
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When she specifically asked him not to he spread the bit of information that would ruin her. What else can you call that?
not keeping his word, which is not betrayal. betrayal requires you to intentionally act against her, which he was not doing. him telling his family who he was was an attempt to get them to stop hating Dany, not to subvert her. he was doing the opposite of betrayal
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You are trying to comprehend the actions of the insane with a sane mind
i've literally studied serial killers since middle school (before it was cool)
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm not defending the season but I don't get the Dany criticism. She clearly snapped, this happens to people all the time. She went insane, so of course what she did doesn't make sense to people thinking rationally. They slowly built this up over 7 seasons. They couldn't have her slowly go through all the mad stages because then her advisers Jon etc never would have stayed with her and supported her. Episode 3 was the biggest disappoint in television history so I'm not some fanboy but I don't get all the mad queen hate except from the women power people who are mad.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Except for the fact we had their inner thoughts, in the books. Maybe it’s not so much the writing changed when the books ended; maybe our own background and insight changed and we were spoiled by that instead of let down by what happened after.
this didn't limit the early seasons
Maybe the writing has been fine, if not good, all along with little deviation in its quality. We were just lucky to have a thorough bibliography, mind reader, and companion guide through the first 5 seasons.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:39 am to Navytiger74
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I can't say I disagree with your overall assessment. But S8E5 honestly was one of their better outings. Call it the best of their flawed work.
This. Everything was great but the writing blew.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Betrayal is the breaking or violation of a presumptive contract, trust, or confidence that produces moral and psychological conflict within a relationship amongst individuals, between organizations or between individuals and organizations.
Tell me again how Jon didn’t betray Dany
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:40 am to Navytiger74
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That's pretty ridiculous. It was one of the better episodes of the last two seasons
I agree. I hate the outcome, but that was one of the best episodes in GoT history.
Hilariously, we all love Rains of Castamere and Winds of Winter. Both of those were horrifying episodes, but we all love the shock of them.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:40 am to RandySavage
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She clearly snapped,
when you craft a show for 7 seasons to build towards a climax, "she snapped" is very bad writing to subvert that climax
remember, the NK was revealed to be worthless this season. he has no real literary value and should be discarded
why? Cersei was the real enemy
so whatever, defeating Cersei and "the game of thrones" is the goal of the story. you reach the climax. you "win"...
...
and then you have a character randomly snap, with the only development leading to that being shitty, forced conflict
yeah, you're going to get some criticism for both shifting the climax and subverting the new climax
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:42 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Tell me again how Jon didn’t betray Dany
i could be wrong, but he said he was going to tell his family. she asked him not to. that was it, right?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Remember during the 2016 presidential elections where Trump criticized our policy to drop leaflets warning citizens we were going to bomb their city, which likely allows the terrorists to escape, before we just bomb their city, and probably many innocents don’t escape?
again, this is forced bull shite that makes no sense
I bet a lot of people don’t have a problem that we say “we gave you warning; sorry about your luck.” At the very least it’s hard to call that “forced” when it actually happens in reality.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Relax dude.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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i could be wrong, but he said he was going to tell his family. she asked him not to. that was it, right?
Correct. She didn't get her way so she was betrayed? No, that's not how it works. She may feel betrayed, but that's just a mechanism for her madness.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:45 am to RB10
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He told her straight to her face that he was going to tell his family the truth.
What are you talking about?
UH, you might want to watch E4 again
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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not keeping his word, which is not betrayal. betrayal requires you to intentionally act against her, which he was not doing. him telling his family who he was was an attempt to get them to stop hating Dany, not to subvert her. he was doing the opposite of betrayal
Not keeping his word involved dissemination of information that destroyed everything she had built her life around. To her it’s a littler more than simply not keeping his word/not doing what she requested. Surely you understand that.
ETA you didn’t comment on what would happen if the Vegas shooter had a dragon.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 8:47 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:46 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:I don’t think he betrayed her, but what’s important is that she feels (somewhat) betrayed because she has this irrational belief that she is entitled to something. And to find out her own irrational beliefs were betrayed and she was never really entitled to it.
Tell me again how Jon didn’t betray Dany
I think she’s betrayed by reality more than anything else.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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could be wrong, but he said he was going to tell his family. she asked him not to. that was it, right?
Did ya miss when Tyrion said someone betrayed Dany and she said “Jon” at the beginning of the last episode?
How can anyone take any of this ranting seriously if you missed that
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