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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:59 am to RB10
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:59 am to RB10
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How many times does it have to be explained that her feeling betrayed is not the same thing as her actually being betrayed?
Does she feel like Jon betrayed her? Yes. He refused to give her what she wanted.
Was she actually betrayed? No.
She told him not to do it, and the consequences of it, and he did it anyway. What do you call that?
I know y’all need it spelled out, but she would consider that betrayal. Whether you think it is or not is irrelevant to the story
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 9:01 am
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:59 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Enough about Dany. How about the fact that the only reason they sent Arya with the Hound was so we could have a character we care about running around in the destruction of King's Landing.
What are you talking about? Arya was always going to head to KL to kill Cersie. How is that a contrivance?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:00 am to monkeybutt
She didnt kill cersei
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:00 am to MF Doom
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Heh
I think this show’s popularity and its mass discussions allows for a lot of group-thinking and a lot confirmation bias, regardless of one’s bias. And in this case, I think a lot of people who would have no idea what constitutes good writing or bad writing, and don’t truly care, but are upset with something about the way the plot has unfolded; have confirmed their biases by just regurgitating those who are truly critical of some of the writing, and probably have been all along.
I’m not saying it’s anyone in this thread (e.g.; SFP has been complaining for years, despite being a bit extreme about it), but I see it on Reddit and Twitter.
This post was edited on 5/14/19 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:00 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Did ya miss when Tyrion said someone betrayed Dany and she said “Jon” at the beginning of the last episode?
that's tautological
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:00 am to Nonetheless
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She didnt kill cersei
No shite.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:00 am to RollTide1987
Lol gtfo. People are miserable
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:02 am to monkeybutt
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The next question is did Jon actually betray her? He said I'm telling my family. She said don't. He never said, ok I won't. He did not lie to her about his intentions, I do not think him doing something she doesn't want him to do is an act of betrayal. Like someone else said, that's just her not getting her way.
exactly
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:03 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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She told him not to do it, and the consequences of it, and he did it anyway. What do you call that?
Sounds like a child acting petulant because she didn't get her way.
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I know y’all need it spelled out, but she would consider that betrayal. Whether you think it is or not is irrelevant to the story
This has already been acknowledged. No one is arguing whether or not she felt betrayed.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:03 am to Adam Banks
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An insane person feels betrayed by their lover who simultaneously took away her identity and claim and disseminated that information when she specifically told him not to and you believe that she would behave rationally to that.
again tautology
we're saying "they didn't develop her character enough"
you're saying "she's crazy and therefore anything can be molded into a crazy person's reaction. making no sense makes sense"
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:04 am to monkeybutt
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What are you talking about? Arya was always going to head to KL to kill Cersie. How is that a contrivance?
That's what the writers said was her purpose for going all the way then leaving.
It makes sense. Maybe isn't the best storyline, but it achieved what they wanted.
Jamie had to die with her. There is no other ending for Cersie. Whether he killed her or held her it doesn't matter.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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The next question is did Jon actually betray her? He said I'm telling my family. She said don't. He never said, ok I won't. He did not lie to her about his intentions, I do not think him doing something she doesn't want him to do is an act of betrayal. Like someone else said, that's just her not getting her way.
Yahtzee
It was a mechanism for the writers to justify her descent into madness. The man she loves "betrayed" her right after her two best friends died. Time to go kill millions of people.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:05 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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but she would consider that betrayal. Whether you think it is or not is irrelevant to the story
How are you still missing their point? You mock others for supposedly needing things spoonfed to them, and their point has been shoved straight down your throat and you still don't get it.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:06 am to fightin tigers
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That's what the writers said was her purpose for going all the way then leaving.
i was about to point this out
this isn't some fan argument. it's literally the reason they included her trip to KL
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It makes sense. Maybe isn't the best storyline, but it achieved what they wanted.
par for the course with D/D. create cool battles at the expense of story
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:07 am to RB10
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It was a mechanism for the writers to justify her descent into madness.
aka forced conflict
aka, the D/D specialty
that's why i keep using tautology. we are arguing "there really isn't evidence that she went crazy" and they're arguing "well she's crazy so that's evidence of her being crazy"
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:08 am to buckeye_vol
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but are upset with something about the way the plot has unfolded
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regurgitating
Lmao
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:09 am to buckeye_vol
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I’m not saying it’s anyone in this thread (e.g.; SFP has been complaining for years,
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:10 am to RB10
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This has already been acknowledged. No one is arguing whether or not she felt betrayed.
She’s his queen. She told him what to do, he did something against her wishes. Again I ask, is that not betrayal?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/14/19 at 9:12 am to monkeybutt
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What are you talking about? Arya was always going to head to KL to kill Cersie. How is that a contrivance?
Yeah, sure, but the Hound waiting until they were standing inside an already collapsing Red Keep before giving her his talk to change her mind? He could have done that long before. Even before they got inside the gates and it would have been the same thing of her not killing Cersei. Hell, he told her he was going down there to die when they met on the road outside of Winterfell. Now, at the end, all of a sudden it matters. The only reason they allowed her to get so far into the destruction was for the effect of her running from the devastation. They basically admitted to such on the Inside the Episode.
It was also convenient for the two small groups (Arya/Hound and solo Jaime) to both arrive after the army of the Northmen got to King's Landing despite leaving before the army. Well, I think Jaime left after them, but that doesn't change the fact that a single rider should be able to outpace a host of people on foot.
Meaning, all three of them should have been inside the walls long before the battle began.
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