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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" is officially the worst reviewed GOT episode yet
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Crucifying 100+ people. Just because they did it also doesn’t mean it’s not insane. As I mentioned her reasonable advisors advised her not to. She chose the psychotic route.
As for the innocent people argument first insane people do insane things. She’s clearly having a psychotic breakdown. Second she’s previously experienced being polarizing but having the “support of the people”. In mereen the slaves turned on the masters etc. now she’s finally getting to see herself as she really is. A foreign invader who the upper class doesn’t want and what do the people do? They are running towards the red keep not fleeing the city to her forces or turning on Cersei. They are trying to get closer to Cersei. Th city because she’s a tyrant on a dragon. The place that she has wrapped up her identity for a decade plus that she is the rightful ruler and she will “break the wheel” and be the good just ruler doesn’t want her and sees her for what she is. Given how she’s treated people who cross her or betray her throughout it’s not a big leap
As for the innocent people argument first insane people do insane things. She’s clearly having a psychotic breakdown. Second she’s previously experienced being polarizing but having the “support of the people”. In mereen the slaves turned on the masters etc. now she’s finally getting to see herself as she really is. A foreign invader who the upper class doesn’t want and what do the people do? They are running towards the red keep not fleeing the city to her forces or turning on Cersei. They are trying to get closer to Cersei. Th city because she’s a tyrant on a dragon. The place that she has wrapped up her identity for a decade plus that she is the rightful ruler and she will “break the wheel” and be the good just ruler doesn’t want her and sees her for what she is. Given how she’s treated people who cross her or betray her throughout it’s not a big leap
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:01 am to RollTide1987
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But that doesn't change the fact that season eight is objectively bad by Game of Thrones standards. The writing has effectively killed this show.
Opinion is subjective.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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naw bruh this is a show about subtle political drama, not zombies
that's why episode 5 was all BOOM and SMASH and PEW PEW PEW. politics, dude
Most wars start with political drama and end with boom, smash, and pew pew pew
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
My problem is that this rapid descent into madness is somehow spurred by Missandei getting beheaded... but no viewers (except maybe a small SJW segment) ever really cared about Missandei.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:06 am to LSUBoo
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My problem is that this rapid descent into madness is somehow spurred by Missandei getting beheaded... but no viewers (except maybe a small SJW segment) ever really cared about Missandei.
I seem to recall several non-SJW posters on THIS BOARD complaining about her dying.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
"Critics are just mad because they made Dany just another crazy bitch."
"The board is mad because their nerd theories didn't come true."
People seeking justification for why they are in the minority now for liking these last episodes. Hmmm. Could it just be that MAYBE, it's actually not good?
"The board is mad because their nerd theories didn't come true."
People seeking justification for why they are in the minority now for liking these last episodes. Hmmm. Could it just be that MAYBE, it's actually not good?
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:06 am to LSUBoo
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My problem is that this rapid descent into madness is somehow spurred by Missandei getting beheaded... but no viewers (except maybe a small SJW segment) ever really cared about Missandei.
It’s one of the triggers sure but even if it was the sole trigger does it even matter what the viewers think about her? All that matters is what Dany cares about.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:08 am to Adam Banks
No, it doesn't matter, but it is a disconnect.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:08 am to LSUBoo
the theme of the last 1/3 (or so) of this show is forced conflict. they either lacked the skill to create real conflict and drama (countless to name at this point), completely fricked up a major political competitor (Dorne) or made "shock" decisions to make people go 
that left the cupboard barren (blowing up the Sept)
people described GRRM's writing/story as intricately woven because it used small threads to tie together a big picture
D/D's writing/story is a hammer trying to nail various things into a board, whether it's a nail or a rock or a tennis shoe (you'd never expect somebody to try to nail a tennis shoe to a board! aha! gotcha!)
that left the cupboard barren (blowing up the Sept) people described GRRM's writing/story as intricately woven because it used small threads to tie together a big picture
D/D's writing/story is a hammer trying to nail various things into a board, whether it's a nail or a rock or a tennis shoe (you'd never expect somebody to try to nail a tennis shoe to a board! aha! gotcha!)
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:09 am to LSUBoo
quote:It was important, but it didn’t “spur” her descent into madness, neither did Jon shutting her down as some have argued. I would argue that she’s far from “mad,” but either way, they were both just two of last events (of many) that led her to being isolated and leaving no one to control her worst impulses.
somehow spurred by Missandei getting beheaded... but no viewers (except maybe a small SJW segment) ever really cared about Missandei.
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Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:09 am to Adam Banks
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All that matters is what Dany cares about.
Bingo
People are like “nobody liked Miss Sandy anyway” and forget that she’s important to Dany, and what’s important to the characters are the things that move the story
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:10 am to Adam Banks
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now she’s finally getting to see herself as she really is. A foreign invader
Bingo. The only people that loved her were the slaves she freed...and Ser Friend Zone. And she freed those slaves to gain an army in order to conquer cities and kingdoms. She kept referring to Westeros as her home and her people, yet she arrived with a hoard of foreign invaders to take said "home," then wonders why people don't love her.
She kept talking about bringing down tyrants yet she has always ruled as a tyrant.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:12 am to abellsujr
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People seeking justification for why they are in the minority now for liking these last episodes. Hmmm. Could it just be that MAYBE, it's actually not good?
i mean when pretty much every major GOT channel on Youtube hates season 8 (and many didn't even hate the vastly inferior season 7, i'm assuming due to fandom, optimism, and hope) AS WELL AS the critical hoarde on RT, and subs like r/freefolk are having a legitimate (and much more realistic than Dany) existential crisis, you should probably examine things a little more harshly
people are trying to compare this to TLJ, but there was a lot of disconnect involved there. RT didn't match the fan scores and the internet had a lot of stuff on both sides going back and forth. this is nothing like that. it's near-universal that D/D have crashed the landing
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:15 am to Sasquatch Smash
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The only people that loved her were the slaves she freed...and Ser Friend Zone.
uh
and John, Tyrion, and Varys
again, D/D completely failed at explaining WHY they loved her, but they were all Dany (for years, in terms of Tyrion and Varys)
Tyrion and Varys are 2 of the smartest, most politically savy characters in GOT and they were team Dany 100% from Day 1
John is the hero of this story. the Prince that was Promised. the person who united the Wildlings and the North to lead humanity against it's "greatest foe" (apparently not to D/D, because like with Dany and Euron, they forgot about that)
so that dog don't hunt
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's near-universal that D/D have crashed the landing
That video link that keeps getting posted of the cast talking about the final season when asked is pretty telling. Even they didn't care for what was written for their characters.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:16 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:And we always saw it from her perspective on top of that. I’m sure she was a terrifying tyrant, conquerer to even some of those she helped from their perspective.
her were the slaves she freed...and Ser Friend Zone. And she freed those slaves to gain an army in order to conquer cities and kingdoms.
But this last episode we saw it from the conquered perspective, specifically the innocent. I bet from Dany’s perspective, she’s not really taking in the sheer horror of her actions, and she’s not specifically picking out the most innocent to fry. She’s burning down a city, and those who are in it, are just faceless and nameless collateral damage who chose to remain under Cersei’s protection.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:17 am to tilco
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Blame D&D all you want but this is the fat mans story and he gave them the ending
True we are getting the ending that GRRM gave them, but it’s not like he wrote it. That was the job of the show writers.
The problem is that in he books, he will have 1500-2500 pages to fully flesh out and develop the ending.
The books will not be rushing every storyline to a cramped conclusion
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:19 am to buckeye_vol
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But this last episode we saw it from the conquered perspective, specifically the innocent. I bet from Dany’s perspective, she’s not really taking in the sheer horror of her actions, and she’s not specifically picking out the most innocent to fry. She’s burning down a city, and those who are in it, are just faceless and nameless collateral damage who chose to remain under Cersei’s protection.
that is a good point but we will never be allowed to see this develop b/c of the truncated season
that's the problem with relying on shock twists alone instead of building things through story and character
there are interesting places this could go (and it would have been super interesting to watch actual character development lead to this point), but nope, we have 1 more episode!
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:19 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:Some posters point out on Reddit that they’re asked again and again about the same spoilers that they can’t reveal, and many actors have stated that “press tours,” are the worst part of their job, let alone when it requires such secrecy with the people constantly badgering for the same secrets over and over again.
That video link that keeps getting posted of the cast talking about the final season when asked is pretty telling. Even they didn't care for what was written for their characters.
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Tyrion, and Varys
Tyrion and Varys are 2 of the smartest, most politically savy characters in GOT and they were team Dany 100% from Day 1
Yeah, but did they LOVE her? I took it as them seeing her as the rightful monarch and the lesser of two evils compared to Cersei. Plus, there was always the revenge factor for Tyrion getting back at his sister and whatnot.
And show Varys has been all over the place with his reasonings in the show.
Jon did, though a man's cock will make him do dumb things, but I was more meaning the people. She wanted the people to love her and herald her as a savior from the tyranny of Cersei.
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