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Adam Driver: Kylo Ren Was Originally Supposed to Be Committed to the Dark Side by the End

Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:06 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:06 am
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Adam Driver revealed on “The Rich Eisen Show” that his arc as Kylo Ren in “Star Wars” completed changed from its original plan over the course of his three films: “The Force Awakens” (2015), “The Last Jedi” (2017) and “The Rise of Skywalker” (2019). According to the actor, Kylo Ren was never supposed to soften up and be redeemed as Ben Solo. In fact, the original plan for the character was apparently just the opposite. Kyle Ren was supposed to become more evil during the trilogy, not a conflicted anti-hero.

“J.J. Abrams walked me through what he wanted to do with the character, but you had to sign up and be like, ‘I’m gonna do it,’ and once I did that, I went to London to star for pre-production,” Driver remembered about accepting the role. “And it’s like, ‘there’s a tiny room down the hall, you can go in there and read the script.’ And so I was reading it for the first time.”

“I had an overall arc that in mind that [JJ Abrams] wanted to do,” Driver continued. “His idea was that [Kylo’s] journey was the opposite journey of Vader, where Vader starts the most confident and the most committed to the dark side. And then by the last movie, he’s the most vulnerable and weak. He wanted to start with the opposite. This character was the most confused and vulnerable, and by the end of the three movies, he would be the most committed to the dark side. I tried to keep that arc in mind, regardless if that wound up not being the journey anyway, because it changed while shooting. But I was still focused on that.”

Driver said Rian Johnson took Kylo Ren’s original arc in “a different direction” with “The Last Jedi,” although “it still tracked with the character.” That wasn’t the case with “The Rise of Skywalker.

“The last one, it changed into being, you know, about them and the dyad, and things like that,” Driver said. “And evolving into Ben Solo. That was never a part of it. He was Ben Solo from the beginning, but there was never a version where we’d see Ben Solo when I first signed up for it.”


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Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
30970 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:08 am to
Still wouldn't have saved the sequel trilogy from the TLJ abomination.
Posted by RoyalAir
Detroit
Member since Dec 2012
6842 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:21 am to
The best option was to go the route of Kylo->Ben Solo and become redeemed, while Rey succumbs to the darkside completely because if lack of guidance and training.

I'd have watched that movie.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
74144 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:32 am to
I refuse to believe they had any sort of over-arching plan at all.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
63000 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:34 am to
Wow, how creative. Just do the opposite of the previous movies.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35291 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:40 am to
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I refuse to believe they had any sort of over-arching plan at all


I agree. The only “plan” was to cover that big arse check they had written to George by tapping into a bunch of fans pocketbooks using memberberries as nostalgia bait.

JJ may have had his own ideas. But that’s about as much as I’d believe.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 7:45 am
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
34983 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:44 am to
You can be anything you want to be

Rey: “ frick it, I’m a skywalker “
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
126265 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:46 am to
Blows my mind how Disney got the Star Wars brand and completely shite the bed with it.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
36289 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:51 am to
Anakin Skywalker was turned to the dark side as a result of an emotional breakdown from his mother’s *torture & death, while being subtly deceived by a Sith lord.

Ben Solo turn to the dark side because ….his uncle tried to kill him after a bad dream. And because the movie needed a villain.


* it’s an old fan theory, but who doesn’t buy into the idea that Palpatine had a hand in what happened to Anakin’s mother. Just the sort of thing that would tip a young impressionable Jedi into turning to the dark side.

This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 11:38 am
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
12160 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:20 am to
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Wow, how creative. Just do the opposite of the previous movies.


But that was apparently too difficult so they just copied the Vader arc. Even less creative somehow.
Posted by Dingeaux
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
5438 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:01 am to
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But that was apparently too difficult so they just copied the Vader arc. Even less creative somehow.


exactly. his arc mimicked Vader's. not very original.

if they did that but had Rey turn to the dark side and eventually have Ben defeat her. that would have been good.
But they wouldn't do that to Mary Sue
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
22832 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:06 am to
The stakes were just all over the place. We were never invested in these characters like we were in the originals or even the prequels.

They just kept making shite up as it went along and it was obvious. They thought they’d get by on pure nostalgia alone. It just never made any sense and felt ridiculous even for Star Wars.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29775 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:13 am to
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Kylo Ren


They lost him as an adequate villain after the scene where he had the temper tantrum with the light saber and it was revealed he wore the helmet basically as cosplay.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7547 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:29 am to
Was still a dumb idea, regardless. You need a legit reason for the son of Leia and Han to go to the dark side. Vader had a reason he chose that path. Maybe if they had two sons, one was talented and favored, Drivers character was consumed by jealousy and the dark side was his means to become more powerful. That would have made sense. Have the second movie end with Luke sacrificing himself to save his family and there being very little hope for overmatched Rey and light side brother against Dark Side brother and a powerful ally(Thrawn maybe...)
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:32 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
25249 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:29 am to
Literally everyone commenting on what should’ve or could’ve happened, in all likelihood would’ve had ideas that made the trilogy much much better. For instance I would have preferred Finn to be the main protagonist hero Jedi and Rey to have a story much more focused on battling between each side (this aspect has worked amazing for Kyle Kestis in the video games who is literally the one start wars things from Disney era tha doesn’t suck cock. in a properly planned trilogy with a coherent vision for beginning middle and end each film serving 1 of 3 acts, not to mention this is a continuity of one America’s greatest mythologies that you just shelled out 4.5 billion for, many of these things could’ve or would’ve happened and they could’ve been great. It’s what kills me about the progressive butt sex lovers who claim mysonogy or muh racism when Finn was mine and everyone I have ever mets favorite part in the movies and we all felt he was done dirty and the story could’ve been great as casted had the proper pre production and planning been done by actually talented individuals respectfully humbled by the incredible opportunity they’d been lucky to have given them. Instead we got the hubris of a weather man, a woman who spent her entire life getting g coffee and bjs for better men, and a guy famous for a literal trope of “the mystery box” becoming normie lingo. frickING HACKS
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:51 am
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
60608 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:35 am to
No plot or character change was ever going to save those movies. The Suck came from the top down, just like with every other big budget movie KK has been in charge of.
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9499 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:36 am to
The Star Wars movies remind me of the old Toho Godzilla movie series, where the lore changed with every film, and they just made it up as they went along.

But they relied on the lizard to get you in the theater. So you went. Plot be damned.

Then, people just got tired of the lizard. That’s where we are now with Star Wars.

The good news is if you wait a little while, enthusiasm rebuilds, and like Godzilla, there can be a bit of a renaissance if you play it right.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
31857 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:38 am to
I’d like to know what JJ had planned for TLJ and ROS. If Kylo stayed on the dark side, I do think that trilogy ends up being a lot better
Posted by CornDogCologne
AFUERA!
Member since Nov 2007
8784 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:41 am to
Disney was thrown the keys to a serviceable media franchise and strangled the life out of it in a matter of years.

I was excited about the sequel trilogy initially but now I actively avoid all Star Wars media.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
15001 posts
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:46 am to
Another day, another time myself and many others are right about what happened to Star Wars
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