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re: Did MJ ever win a title when Pippen wasn’t at least the 3rd best player on the court
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
To his credit he toughed it out and never missed games but people don’t realize how many times Pippen was injured or not well during those runs. He seemed to be ailing for at least a couple games in every series down the stretch. Having said that I think a lot of players from those rosters get overlooked despite having key games and stretches that really turned the tide or secured Bulls wins during those runs.
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:44 pm to AwesomeSauce
They lost in rd 2, Not ECF and the team they beat in rd 1 was crap.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:46 pm to SECdragonmaster
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Imagine how many finals MJ would have made if he played in the terrible Eastern Conference with D. Wade and C. Bosh as teammates.
Is there an implication here that Lebron wouldn't be able to make the finals consistently in a terrible eastern conference when he did it in 8 straight seasons?
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:52 pm to Rep520
Hmm I dunno man The Glove was about as good as it gets on D at that time. I think collectively Chicago may have been slightly better but Payton and McMillan were about as tough on ball as I’ve ever seen that year. Only other team I’ve seen have that much success in the NBA with full court pressure was the Bulls when they were younger.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 6:53 pm to meauxses
Not saying he couldn’t have done it but to suggest that the East was terrible or even close to as weak as it was during LeBrons run is just incorrect.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:58 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
quote:getting a little fast abf loose with what teams we're calling great, it seems.
Beat those great Cavs teams with Price and Daughtery
The resume you posted was good enough on its own, no need to embellish it.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:32 pm to VA LSU fan
Is this in defense of Lebron?
Because what does it say about the 2011 finals when 3 of the top 4 players were Heat guys?
Because what does it say about the 2011 finals when 3 of the top 4 players were Heat guys?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:46 pm to Rep520
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Dirk is pretty much the only champion to win it all without another All-NBA level player on his team in the modern era.
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Ben Wallace was the only all NBA player on the 2004 Pistons.
Fair but what I meant by All-NBA caliber are guys that could carry you many offensively, since offensive output is weighed a bit more heavily than defense. Ben Wallace may have been All-NBA, but Ben could not carry a team to a championship or be the 2nd best player on a championship team. He was All-NBA, but Billups, Sheed, and RIP drove that offense.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:10 pm to VA LSU fan
This is why Krause should get more credit. Signing Pippen to the team friendly contract is what made them a dynasty, also gave them room to add Rodman and other pieces. Without that you’d have MJ and some scrubs, probably scrapping to make it to the finals , much less winning 6.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:36 pm to shel311
Cavs were a constant playoff team. Won 57 games twice. And 54 once in 92 I think
Had a HOF coach in Lenny Wilkins
Mark Price was as good of a PG as there was back then.
Daugherty was a great player
Ehlo
Larry Nance
Harper
Ferry
Hot Rod Williams
Gerald Wilkins
Chris Dudley
The Cavs problem was they kept getting killed by the Bulls
Had a HOF coach in Lenny Wilkins
Mark Price was as good of a PG as there was back then.
Daugherty was a great player
Ehlo
Larry Nance
Harper
Ferry
Hot Rod Williams
Gerald Wilkins
Chris Dudley
The Cavs problem was they kept getting killed by the Bulls
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:48 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
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That’s basically the best teams of an entire generation of basketball and none of them could beat the Bulls
Who did I forget?
an underrated team from that era was the Rockets
Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Mario Ellie, Veron Maxwell, Kenny Smith, and Othis Thorpe.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:22 am to TigerintheNO
They never played the Bulls in a Finals so I didn’t include them
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:50 am to TigerintheNO
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Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Mario Ellie, Veron Maxwell, Kenny Smith, and Othis Thorpe.
But OP said no other team in the league could carry a good roster because of expansion except the Bulls.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:59 am to VA LSU fan
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Remember without MJ the Bulls would have gone to the finals of not for a bad foul call in game seven of the ECF.
I was a big Pippen fan, but no...they didn't even make it to the ECF. It was the semifinals and it was game 5.
When Jordan came back the following season, the Bulls were barely above .500 they were like 34-31.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:49 am to PortCityTiger24
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When Jordan came back the following season, the Bulls were barely above .500 they were like 34-31.
That's because Grant was gone by that point, too. It's tough to lose MJ, but then you lose your only really good interior player...
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:08 am to VA LSU fan
Every Championship won by every team always had a player who could fit in this argument. It’s dumb.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:25 am to Boomshockalocka
For someone who basically preaches about his basketball knowledge you have struck out in this thread. Harden is or will ever be a total player as Pippen was.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:28 am to dukke v
Not even close. Prime Harden is on a level that very very few players have reached. Pippen clearly
Not one of them.
Not one of them.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:31 am to Boomshockalocka
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Prime Harden is on a level that very very few players have reached.
Every player that has led a team to a finals is on a level that Harden hasn't reached.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:32 am to Boomshockalocka
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Prime Harden is on a level that very very few players have reached.
Dunno, a lot of players have reached the conference semifinals.
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