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re: Why is Mexico so poor?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:12 pm to concrete_tiger
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:12 pm to concrete_tiger
From what I’ve seen and how it has been explained to me, this is about right. The “haves” have everything. A company I used to work for built a condo tower for a family of Mexican “haves”. Their representative explained to us that down there, when you own something, you own all of it. There was someone who owned textile, someone who owned telecom, someone who owned transportation, etc.
Pretty much no existence of a working or professional, native middle class. Which is why so many young men run across the border to do crap jobs over here. They get paid our wages and get to keep it all and send it home. After several years, they return to their hometowns and live like kings, if they want.
Sadly, this is sort of what looks to be occurring in California. Th gap between the haves with intelligence-based skills vs other skills is growing at a rapid pace. Cost of living is growing even faster. At least in the coastal areas, this will become unsustainable within a decade.
Pretty much no existence of a working or professional, native middle class. Which is why so many young men run across the border to do crap jobs over here. They get paid our wages and get to keep it all and send it home. After several years, they return to their hometowns and live like kings, if they want.
Sadly, this is sort of what looks to be occurring in California. Th gap between the haves with intelligence-based skills vs other skills is growing at a rapid pace. Cost of living is growing even faster. At least in the coastal areas, this will become unsustainable within a decade.
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:13 pm to JayDeerTay84
So basically, just like our government right here in the US
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:18 pm to deltaland
Read up on your boy Carlos Slim, the wonderkid of business. When Carlos Salinas was president he decided to privatize all govt companies, the bank, somehow Slim ended up with it, the telephone company Slim ended up with it, on and on. Some still say Slim is just a front man for Salinas.
Ever see narcos Mexico and Lord of the Skies (Amado Carrillo Fuentes) the richest drug dealer who ever lived, was answering to some businessman....that was Carlos Slim.
He owns the banks, to launder money, the telecom in Mexico and many of the Central American telecom companies, wonder who benefits the most from all the illegal activity on the border??????
When Trump became president the first Mexican he met with, not their president, but...Carlos Slim. Know who is the largest shareholder of NYT...Carlos Slim, or at least he was while they were trashing Trump and the border wall.
If you do any business of size in Mexico, Slim gets 10%, its known, ask any fortune 500 company doing business there.
Ever see narcos Mexico and Lord of the Skies (Amado Carrillo Fuentes) the richest drug dealer who ever lived, was answering to some businessman....that was Carlos Slim.
He owns the banks, to launder money, the telecom in Mexico and many of the Central American telecom companies, wonder who benefits the most from all the illegal activity on the border??????
When Trump became president the first Mexican he met with, not their president, but...Carlos Slim. Know who is the largest shareholder of NYT...Carlos Slim, or at least he was while they were trashing Trump and the border wall.
If you do any business of size in Mexico, Slim gets 10%, its known, ask any fortune 500 company doing business there.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:23 pm to L.A.
What I don't understand is why isn't Mexico part of the U.S. ?
We beat them in a war back in 1835, and then again in 1845.
Mexico should be at least a territory of our country.
The Spanish that live there are known as 'Peninsulars'.
The illegal immigrants today are coming from Honduras, Nicaragua, and Guatemala.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:23 pm to L.A.
Basically any country that couldn't be raped and pillaged for gold in the Western Hemisphere never had the institutional power expand to help the masses. In colonial America there was no gold and the resources were so spread out that you couldn't survive without cooperation and trade. Therefore our institions were setup to benefit the masses so we were able to capture the wealth creation of the industrial revolution.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:29 pm to Pandy Fackler
China's favored nation status was given because of the path they were already on, the title didn't create what they are today.
China sits directly in the middle of the world's raw material commodities intersection. They benefited from having a huge population of cheap works where for a cheap cost all goods could be shipped to for manufacturing. The only country that might have been able to step up in China's shoes was India, but they have their own unique problems.
So long story short the only thing that could have made Mexico into China would have been to scoop up the whole nation and drop it on top of Eastern Pacific Asia.
China sits directly in the middle of the world's raw material commodities intersection. They benefited from having a huge population of cheap works where for a cheap cost all goods could be shipped to for manufacturing. The only country that might have been able to step up in China's shoes was India, but they have their own unique problems.
So long story short the only thing that could have made Mexico into China would have been to scoop up the whole nation and drop it on top of Eastern Pacific Asia.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 2:53 pm to SWCBonfire
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Corruption is only a side effect or symptom of the legacy of Spanish cultural rule.
If Mexico would have been colonized by the Brits instead it would be one of the world's wealthiest countries.
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:04 pm to L.A.
Decades of civil war, socialist policies by their government which enrich connected oligarchs while trapping everyone else in poverty, decades of violent drug war which scares off outside investors, geography that makes moving goods between different regions of the country difficult, having a geographic and cultural diversity that makes the regions of Mexico difficult to govern from Mexico city without extreme authoritarian measures.
The reality is Mexico has been an incredibly unstable country politically and economically since gaining independence. Much of it is due to geography, but some is due to culture. It tends to go in cycles:
1. Regions rise up in rebellion because their needs aren’t met by central government
2. Civil War erupts resulting in an authoritarian strong man rising to power
3. Authoritarian strong man brings about a period of relative peace and economic prosperity
4. Strong man dies and replacement either cracks down on dissent more strongly or attempts to decentralize power and liberalize.
5. Regions rise up in rebellion (rinse repeat every 20-30 years).
The reality is Mexico has been an incredibly unstable country politically and economically since gaining independence. Much of it is due to geography, but some is due to culture. It tends to go in cycles:
1. Regions rise up in rebellion because their needs aren’t met by central government
2. Civil War erupts resulting in an authoritarian strong man rising to power
3. Authoritarian strong man brings about a period of relative peace and economic prosperity
4. Strong man dies and replacement either cracks down on dissent more strongly or attempts to decentralize power and liberalize.
5. Regions rise up in rebellion (rinse repeat every 20-30 years).
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:10 pm to SantaFe
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The Spanish that live there are known as 'Peninsulars'.
Penisulars were Spaniards born in Spain.
The independence movements were actually actually civil wars between the Penisulars, and the colonial born Spaniards, who were second class citizens in the power structure.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:13 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Other than the ports, you just described the United States.
besides the fact that the US has the most developed system of navigable waterways in the world and one of the biggest breadbasket areas in the world
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:15 pm to L.A.
I’ve started several threads on this topic.
There is no logical answer beyond a shitty population and poor governmental structure.
It’s ludicrous when the leader of a country, Mexico, criticizes its neighbor, the US, for making it harder for its citizens to flee.
1. Mexico is of similar age to the United States.
2. Mexico has a great geographic location with natural resources and extensive coastline.
3. Mexico has a populous that is mostly hardworking.
4. It exists in the shadow of the United States and has virtually zero external security or military concerns.
The leadership of Mexico is not shamed publicly enough for having a country it’s citizens don’t want to live in.
There is no logical answer beyond a shitty population and poor governmental structure.
It’s ludicrous when the leader of a country, Mexico, criticizes its neighbor, the US, for making it harder for its citizens to flee.
1. Mexico is of similar age to the United States.
2. Mexico has a great geographic location with natural resources and extensive coastline.
3. Mexico has a populous that is mostly hardworking.
4. It exists in the shadow of the United States and has virtually zero external security or military concerns.
The leadership of Mexico is not shamed publicly enough for having a country it’s citizens don’t want to live in.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:16 pm to L.A.
What kind of actual exports or manufacturing base do they have? How many vehicles are Mexican made? Couple that with how corrupt their government is they probably take their marching orders from the cartels and how many people actually live there and its not hard to understand. Did i mention cartel and gang violence? Tourism is becoming a smaller and smaller deal each spring and summer probably because of one if not all of the above.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:25 pm to L.A.
NAFTA going to fix that. That’s what Bush and then Clinton said.
The drug cartels love them some NAFTA.
The drug cartels love them some NAFTA.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:26 pm to SantaFe
quote:
What I don't understand is why isn't Mexico part of the U.S. ?
We beat them in a war back in 1835, and then again in 1845.
Mexico should be at least a territory of our country.
1. "We" didn't beat them in a war in 1835, Texans beat them in a war of independence from October 1835 to April 1836.
2. We didn't beat them in a war in 1845; we beat them in a war from 1846 to 1848, and wound up with nearly HALF their country, including what became the states of California, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, and parts of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas and Oklahoma:
In retrospect, it WOULD have been better if we would have annexed it all, just like it would have been better if we would have annexed Cuba after the Spanish American War.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:35 pm to BRich
Should have given the Jewish people Baja instead of Jerusalem
Posted on 4/11/22 at 3:55 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Major lack of navigable rivers inland, lack of natural harbors along its coastline, Central plateau isolates population centers from coasts for export, geography makes governance from any single location difficult, tremendous cultural differences between southeastern Mexico, Central Mexico, and Northern Mexico.
Mexico faces a lot of similar problems as sub-saharan Africa.
Mexico faces a lot of similar problems as sub-saharan Africa.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The independence movements were actually actually a civil war between the Penisulars, and the colonial born Spaniards, who were second class citizens in the power structure.
True, and most people dont know that the term "creole" does not mean a person of color, but a person born in the US. Its why many wealthy European Americans put their pregnant wives on boats and sent them back to Europe to have the child.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:11 pm to BRich
quote:
"We" didn't beat them in a war in 1835, Texans beat them in a war of independence from October 1835 to April 1836
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:39 pm to SWCBonfire
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Corruption is only a side effect or symptom of the legacy of Spanish cultural rule.
Spain and France
Virtually every present or former Spanish/French Colony/Territory are corrupt cultural backwaters. Louisiana included.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:44 pm to JayDeerTay84
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corruption
This. Their political class are better grifters than ours and that's saying something. They are bought and paid for by the drug cartels. The world's richest man use to be the Mexitel Communications (or something similar) owner.
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