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Stephen Miller says eliminating all welfare fraud could balance entire federal budget

Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:40 am
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:40 am



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Stephen Miller says the scale of welfare fraud is SO MASSIVE that eliminating it alone could balance the ENTIRE federal budget

"The amount that has been fleeced from us is in the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars."

"We could balance the federal budget if the only dollars that went out of the treasury went to individuals who were properly, lawfully, correctly eligible to receive them."

This should infuriate EVERY taxpayer.
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:40 am to
He’s probably right but we’d still find a way to deficit spend.
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:42 am to
Exactly. Until you correct the real problem you’re just going to get right back in debt.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 9:59 am to
So would eliminating nonsensical Pentagon budgets. It plays both ways
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:02 am to
If the left stopped committing fraud we could probably go a few years with no tax at all
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55996 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:11 am to
quote:

He’s probably right

No. He knows that isn’t true.
quote:

but we’d still find a way to deficit spend.

Yep.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20161 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:25 am to
I think we are all saying the same thing.

The reason we have budgets that deficit spend IS SO THEY CAN STEAL IT.

And the worst is probably the pentagon. When their budget was 700 billion they said there own internal audit thought there was 100 billion wasted (so probably more like 200) and now the budget is over a trillion.

Connect the dots. John McCain loves fighter jets, ANY fighter jets, and he chaired the armed services committee, so the MIC produces them at ridiculous costs (the shatbird f22 at 350 million per plane is a good example). They then sell some planes to the Saudis. And for some reason the Saudis then donated to McCain's foundation.

Cause you see, one of the first things every congressman does when he gets in office is set up a foundation. It is against the law for congress to take money from foreign countries, and certainly a bad look to take from some companies BUT THIS DOES NOT APPLY to foundations.

Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:41 am to
Why do that when you can just make the rich people pay their fair share?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:45 am to
Unless he's including a HUGE portion of Social Security as "welfare", this isn't possible, mathematically. Nondefense discretionary is less than $1T
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
10045 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:46 am to
American politicians on both sides of the aisle have long had a spending problem.

If they ran their own households the way they manage government, they’d all be homeless.

But we taxpayers provide the bottomless pit ….so they don’t care.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:51 am to
quote:

The amount that has been fleeced from us is in the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars


Just can’t seem to prove it for some reason
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55920 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 10:52 am to
If the purported $10-20 billion of fraud in Minnesomalia over the past 10 years is true, I could believe when all 50 states are included in the total fraud, theft and waste of US taxpayer money.....yeah, $250-300 billion annually seems quite possible if not probable.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
9541 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:04 am to
These people really do think that Americans are stupid and easily distracted.

Three or four questions on Gemini will let you know that federal spending in 2025 was 7 billion dollars. Collections were 5.4 billion.

Welfare, including Medicare, is right around a quarter of federal spending (1.75 billion).

So unless 93 percent of all welare spending was fraud, Stephen Miller is full of shite.

…As if stands now, you could get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, TANF, Section 8 and WIC altogether and barely balance the budget.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 11:09 am
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20161 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Unless he's including a HUGE portion of Social Security as "welfare", this isn't possible, mathematically. Nondefense discretionary is less than $1T


Two things:

A large portion of the fraud is in mandatory spending, ie medicare.

Second, coming out of the covid massive spend, to ensure that the spending could continue, that did a cute little thing with discretionary spending.....

quote:

over the past five years (2021–2026), lawmakers have shifted hundreds of billions of dollars from the discretionary realm into mandatory spending or provided multiyear mandatory allocations
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
3735 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:27 am to
Eliminate all welfare, fraud goes away, freeloaders go to Europe.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
91697 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:33 am to
If that’s the case why didn’t they fix it in term 1?

Seems like a serious enough issue to tackle, no?


Politicians should be publicly hanged for not AGGRESSIVELY proving the dollars they take from us are properly used. What the frick are we doing?
Posted by Swamp Frog x
Member since Nov 2024
992 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:35 am to
I believe it. The US does not have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. The average American cannot comprehend just how wasteful the government is. Throw in fraud on top of the waste and the numbers are probably mind blowing.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20161 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 11:41 am to
Its not just the social programs, its everywhere.

quote:

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) identified $20 billion in unspent climate and clean energy grants that the previous administration had placed in Citibank accounts to be distributed by eight nonprofits. The EPA Administrator subsequently terminated these grants and froze the funds, alleging a lack of oversight and improper allocation.



This is the friggin EPA, a small agency. Can you fathom what is going on in other agencies, or War department that has never been audited.

Russ Vought is trying to put a process in place to stop the over trillion in grants and allocations that just roll over every year in the govt with little oversight. He worked closely with Musk and Musk mentioned this as well.

Regarding social security, so everyone understands this. We had actuary charts when it was developed, we also had simple math. However, under JFK congress decided we could take the interest from social security and under LBJ and every congress since, they took every penny of interest. So what should have been an astronomical fund, is on the verge of insolvency and no one wants to address it because both sides were complicit for nearly 60 years.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55996 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

If the purported $10-20 billion of fraud in Minnesomalia over the past 10 years is true,

It’s not. Even if it was that’s a billion dollars per year. Multiply that by about 50 (and that assumes every state is as bad), since Minnesota is about an average size state, and that’s $50 billion per year, not $250-$300 billion. Get rid of all of that and you’ve eliminated less than 3% of the deficit and still have 97% left.

Politicians tell you what you want to hear: “This could be painless.” The Left tells theirs that the billionaires can fix the problem, and we all laugh at their math. Then we make the same math contortions to tell ours that eliminating fraud would do it.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46376 posts
Posted on 6/7/26 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Stephen Miller says eliminating all welfare


He could have just stopped there.
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