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re: IVF and “build a baby, inc” will become the moral issue of our time?

Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:23 am to
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:23 am to
There’s some nuance there. Married couples can have Church-approved sex after menopause or if one of the spouses is infertile.
Posted by deltadummy
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:43 am to


Antagonist claims life is special and part of God's will.

Loving couple wants children. Loving couple can't have children (GOD'S WILL, DAMMIT!!!!).

Sperm donor donates sperm, which is the same thing as intercourse. Because the woman has trouble with implantation, her egg is taken out and the donor's sperm (usually theloving husband) is used to fertilize the egg, same as intercourse. Fertilized egg is implanted into woman's ovary, same as intercourse. A child is born to a loving couple (also increasing the population, which is part of antagonist's religious, political and economic belief systems).

But it wasn't WILLED BY GOD, DAMMIT!!!!!!! SO IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!!!

Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:44 am to
Right. The act just has to be "open to" the procreative element. Having sex while infertile or post-menopausal isn't a sin because you aren't intentionally preventing the act from achieving the end goal of procreation (see: Abraham and Sarah). Taking birth control or getting snipped would be different.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 9:59 am to
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I find it interesting that you are framing postponing marriage and raising children as an inherently masculine quality.
No. It's inherently a biological clock issue. Secondarily, many women are attracted to affluence, and men generally garner more of that with age.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37438 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:01 am to
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f you don't understand this you don't trust in God. You just hope YOUR plans work out.


Because God's will could never include or be realized through medical science.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477561 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:09 am to
quote:

Antagonist claims life is special and part of God's will.

Loving couple wants children. Loving couple can't have children (GOD'S WILL, DAMMIT!!!!).

Sperm donor donates sperm, which is the same thing as intercourse. Because the woman has trouble with implantation, her egg is taken out and the donor's sperm (usually theloving husband) is used to fertilize the egg, same as intercourse. Fertilized egg is implanted into woman's ovary, same as intercourse. A child is born to a loving couple (also increasing the population, which is part of antagonist's religious, political and economic belief systems).

But it wasn't WILLED BY GOD, DAMMIT!!!!!!! SO IT'S NOT THE SAME!!!!!


but but but...TUBES and...INSTRUMENTS!
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