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re: IVF and “build a baby, inc” will become the moral issue of our time?
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:57 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:57 am to burger bearcat
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How is this child going to have a normal life, growing up intentionally without his/her father?
The same way many millions before it did.
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:57 am to OccamsStubble
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I wouldn’t be surprised by build-a-RB-baby attempts.
Let me stop you there. We'll already have moved fully to pro flag football by then. It will always be build-a-QB-baby attempts.
But if everyone is a QB, then nobody is a QB.
It's all doomed to fail. And I mean everything. You can't want God and the world at the same time.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:00 am to Deuces
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Or they totally aren’t cut out to be parents
It’s the only reason any person (or animal) is alive.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:01 am to burger bearcat
Like any medical procedure, it is subject to abuse by both providers and patients (looking at you plastic surgery). The vast VAST majority of IVF patients are couples who for a multitude of reasons just need an assist in conception.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:02 am to burger bearcat
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You would be a lot easier to have a reasonable debate if you weren’t so intentionally difficult with your over the top and absurd “technicalities” that you think are some amazing “gotcha”
Understanding the issues, comprehension, and understanding that some things aren't binary is not what you described or some "gotcha"
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IVF is not a natural process. It’s done in a lab with tubes and instruments. It involves the man going into an exam room to masturbate into a cup, and then handing it to a nurse in the other room. It’s not natural as in it doesn’t happen in nature, while yes it happens in the “natural world” it’s not what people mean when they say “natural”, so stop with your retarded semantics.
Well this just completely explains your difficulties above
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:02 am to burger bearcat
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How is this child going to have a normal life, growing up intentionally without his/her father?
Guess it depends on how you define normal. Plenty of single mothers out there. The IVF thing probably barely moves the needle on that.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:03 am to theballguy
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Let me stop you there. We'll already have moved fully to pro flag football by then. It will always be build-a-QB-baby attempts.
This is a growth industry for retired NFLers: stud.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:04 am to Indefatigable
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The same way many millions before it did.
OP doesn't often make coherent "arguments"
IVF is an area where Trump is 100% correct and I'm very glad he hasn't fallen victim to the insane, extremely religious types in his administration who would influence him on these issues.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 7:31 am
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:16 am to burger bearcat
daughter in law is doing IVF with 5 eggs. The first did not work so there are 4 left. She was able to get pregnant without (too long a story) but she is religious and will try with the other 4.
Was interesting how they grade them, etc. I approve under the right circumstance but certainly a slippery slope and not sure how I would go if I could decide height/weight/gender and other characteristics.
Was interesting how they grade them, etc. I approve under the right circumstance but certainly a slippery slope and not sure how I would go if I could decide height/weight/gender and other characteristics.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:16 am to Deuces
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Eventually we will choose eye color, jaw shape, hair, etc.
And we will eliminate the gay gene.
Oh, never mind. I forgot.
There isn’t one.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:25 am to burger bearcat
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How is this child going to have a normal life, growing up intentionally without his/her father?
This can be asked regarding any child, whether conceived through natural means or IVF. Not sure your point here.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:25 am to burger bearcat
My wife and I were faced with this decision 17 yrs ago. We had gone through artificial insemination several times and the next progression was IVF. We prayed and talked about it and we just felt like it was a bit like playing God.
It is a slippery slope and with our beliefs against abortion, we would have multiple embryos frozen and what do we do with them. If we believe life is started at conception, that is a life in the freezer and we would need to deal with that. So this is how we came to our decision.
So we immediately went down the path of adoption. Within months a birth mother had selected us and a few months later we traveled to the east coast and were there the day she was born.
4 years later we were called by an agency that they had a baby in Ohio that the adoptive parents backed out of and they needed a family. So we dropped everything and went to Ohio. Little did we know we would be there for 2 months in the NICU. A lung issue presented itself and took a long time to diagnose it because of it's rarity. She is perfectly healthy now and an amazing little girl. We were blessed with 2 awesome little girls that are the love of our lives and we wouldn't change it for anything. We have been able to provide loving parents, extended family, and a Christian home.
Those little girls needed a family, we needed children.....Let God work that out, instead of us playing God and forcing something because of our own desire to have a child that is our blood. The idea of man creating the conception manually when God made it something that was done by chance that is miraculous just didn't feel right.
Now I'm not saying adoption is for everybody and I'm not going argue against anybody considering IVF. It's just the decision we felt was right and didn't feel right about "man" playing God and forcing the creation of life.
My apologies for writing a chapter.
It is a slippery slope and with our beliefs against abortion, we would have multiple embryos frozen and what do we do with them. If we believe life is started at conception, that is a life in the freezer and we would need to deal with that. So this is how we came to our decision.
So we immediately went down the path of adoption. Within months a birth mother had selected us and a few months later we traveled to the east coast and were there the day she was born.
4 years later we were called by an agency that they had a baby in Ohio that the adoptive parents backed out of and they needed a family. So we dropped everything and went to Ohio. Little did we know we would be there for 2 months in the NICU. A lung issue presented itself and took a long time to diagnose it because of it's rarity. She is perfectly healthy now and an amazing little girl. We were blessed with 2 awesome little girls that are the love of our lives and we wouldn't change it for anything. We have been able to provide loving parents, extended family, and a Christian home.
Those little girls needed a family, we needed children.....Let God work that out, instead of us playing God and forcing something because of our own desire to have a child that is our blood. The idea of man creating the conception manually when God made it something that was done by chance that is miraculous just didn't feel right.
Now I'm not saying adoption is for everybody and I'm not going argue against anybody considering IVF. It's just the decision we felt was right and didn't feel right about "man" playing God and forcing the creation of life.
My apologies for writing a chapter.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:29 am to burger bearcat
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IVF and “build a baby, inc” will become the moral issue of our time?
Cold hard facts.
No Christian that claims to place their full trust in God could ever support or participate in this.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:30 am to OccamsStubble
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I feel sorry for the children whose parents don’t want children but have them anyway for the .gov bucks.
tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids you're an idiot and you people are children.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:31 am to dafif
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Was interesting how they grade them, etc.
People likely see this and think Gattaca but it's more viability. Bad grades mean they're less likely to develop and will likely be discarded naturally. This is a process our bodies already do naturally, they can just identify the embryos most likely to be part of that process.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:33 am to Snipe
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Cold hard facts.
No Christian that claims to place their full trust in God could ever support or participate in this.
Even if no embryos are discarded? You still take this absolutist stance? Why?
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:37 am to jp4lsu
Amen
Thanks for that
Thanks for that
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:39 am to burger bearcat
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will become the moral issue of our time?
Welcome to 1968. I suggest you read Pope Paul VI’s Humane Vitae.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why?
I just explained it.
You either place your trust in God or you do not.
Final. absolutist. or whatever you want to call it so you can argue.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 7:42 am to Snipe
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I just explained it.
You either place your trust in God or you do not.
That doesn't explain anything in this context. If you engage in IVF you're still putting your trust in God, and God would be the force that determines if IVF was successful or not.
Again, why?
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