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IVF and “build a baby, inc” will become the moral issue of our time?
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:18 am
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:18 am
I really just think most people have not put a lot of deep thought into this. Even on the right, most people just view IVF as a way to help infertile couples have a baby.
But beyond the bioethical debate surrounding the traditional use of IVF (I am against it for a number of reasons that have been laid out previously). The slippery slope to where this leads is coming really fast.
Anecdotally, someone I know, a woman who focused on her career into her early 40s. Is not too attractive anymore and can’t find a man now that she would seem worthy. She had previously froze her eggs, and has turned to IVF and surrogacy to create or her own custom baby, because she “always wanted to be a mom, but wanted to do it on her own time”. She created a whole batch of embryos, but only chose one and decided she won’t use the others and will have them destroyed.
She also picked her sperm donor out of a catalog, custom creating her child as if she was ordering a new appliance
How is this child going to have a normal life, growing up intentionally without his/her father?
But beyond the bioethical debate surrounding the traditional use of IVF (I am against it for a number of reasons that have been laid out previously). The slippery slope to where this leads is coming really fast.
Anecdotally, someone I know, a woman who focused on her career into her early 40s. Is not too attractive anymore and can’t find a man now that she would seem worthy. She had previously froze her eggs, and has turned to IVF and surrogacy to create or her own custom baby, because she “always wanted to be a mom, but wanted to do it on her own time”. She created a whole batch of embryos, but only chose one and decided she won’t use the others and will have them destroyed.
She also picked her sperm donor out of a catalog, custom creating her child as if she was ordering a new appliance
How is this child going to have a normal life, growing up intentionally without his/her father?
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 6:35 am
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:18 am to burger bearcat
Gattaca was way ahead of its time.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:21 am to burger bearcat
It’s why the Catholic Church opposes it.
Agree or not, a slippery slope exists.
Eventually we will choose eye color, jaw shape, hair, etc. We will take over the portion made by the supernatural and try to become the creators of “perfect” human beings.
Agree or not, a slippery slope exists.
Eventually we will choose eye color, jaw shape, hair, etc. We will take over the portion made by the supernatural and try to become the creators of “perfect” human beings.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:21 am to burger bearcat
When you consider how much is being paid out in NIL, I wouldn’t be surprised by build-a-RB-baby attempts.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:23 am to burger bearcat
the church condemns ivf and rightly so. we believe that a child is endowed with a soul at the moment of conception.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:23 am to Deuces
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Eventually we will choose eye color, jaw shape, hair, etc. We will take over the portion made by the supernatural and try to become the creators of “perfect” human beings.
Why attach this to IVF? Gene review/editing will also be available/used by those who conceived without IVF.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:27 am to dickkellog
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the church condemns ivf and rightly so. we believe that a child is endowed with a soul at the moment of conception.
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Approximately 60% to 70% of all fertilized embryos fail to develop into a live birth. The vast majority of these losses occur naturally in the very earliest stages, often before a woman even realizes she is pregnant
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Pre-Implantation: Roughly 30% to 50% of fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterine lining.
Clinical Pregnancy: Of the embryos that do implant, another 10% to 20% end in natural miscarriages.
Overall: Only about 30% to 40% of all conceptions naturally result in a successful live birth
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why attach this to IVF? Gene review/editing will also be available/used by those who conceived without IVF.
Because it can be lumped in as a precursor to gene therapy as an unnatural birthing process.
I can see both sides. I feel sorry for folks who want children that have trouble having them.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:33 am to Deuces
I’m pretty sure sex isn’t going anywhere.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:35 am to Deuces
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Because it can be lumped in
Not logically. That's why I made the distinction.
IVF and gene editing are 2 very different discussions without much overlap
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I can see both sides. I feel sorry for folks who want children that have trouble having them.
I could see the argument against IVF if there was something unnatural or similar to the gene editing issue, but, at its heart, it's a natural progress just done in a very refined way.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:39 am to The Boat
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I’m pretty sure sex isn’t going anywhere.
Every new generation’s sex drive and libido is going down
Women on birth control and men addicted to porn are big drivers of this
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:39 am to The Boat
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I’m pretty sure sex isn’t going anywhere.
Now do “sex with an AI robot that can’t get pregnant, looks like Sid Sweeney, says ‘that was awesome” then runs to cook you a gumbo”
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 6:40 am
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:40 am to burger bearcat
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Women on birth control and men addicted to porn are big drivers of this
We have moved onto blaming microplastics
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:44 am to Deuces
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I feel sorry for folks who want children that have trouble having them.
I’m friends with few couples where this is the case.
It makes you wonder if there isn’t a reason we don’t understand genetically that makes them incompatible for having children.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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I could see the argument against IVF if there was something unnatural or similar to the gene editing issue, but, at its heart, it's a natural progress just done in a very refined way.
You would be a lot easier to have a reasonable debate if you weren’t so intentionally difficult with your over the top and absurd “technicalities” that you think are some amazing “gotcha”
IVF is not a natural process. It’s done in a lab with tubes and instruments. It involves the man going into an exam room to masturbate into a cup, and then handing it to a nurse in the other room. It’s not natural as in it doesn’t happen in nature, while yes it happens in the “natural world” it’s not what people mean when they say “natural”, so stop with your retarded semantics.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 6:50 am
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:53 am to burger bearcat
It's definitely a slippery slope. Just like everything, there's the reason it should be used and then there's always the abuse cases.
I know someone in her early 30s that got married and just couldnt get pregnant. Her and her husband went the IVF route twice now, and have 2 beautiful children. This is ideal.
Not the OPs route or for the gheys.
If we were a strong nation/society we'd have rules set for the proper use to prevent the negative abuse. Unfortunately the sin of greed will win out.
I know someone in her early 30s that got married and just couldnt get pregnant. Her and her husband went the IVF route twice now, and have 2 beautiful children. This is ideal.
Not the OPs route or for the gheys.
If we were a strong nation/society we'd have rules set for the proper use to prevent the negative abuse. Unfortunately the sin of greed will win out.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:53 am to burger bearcat
Moral issue?
Most of the population thinks it’s ok to murder a baby in the womb.
Most of the population thinks it’s ok to murder a baby in the womb.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:54 am to SquatchDawg
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I feel sorry for folks who want children that have trouble having them.
I feel sorry for the children whose parents don’t want children but have them anyway for the .gov bucks.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:55 am to The Boat
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I’m pretty sure sex isn’t going anywhere.
Of course it won’t.
Contraception is more widespread and that’s part of the reason the birth rates have declined so much. That and my generation not wanting to have kids as much as people prior.
So in the future you’ll see more sex without conception.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 6:56 am to OccamsStubble
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I feel sorry for the children whose parents don’t want children but have them anyway for the .gov bucks.
Or they totally aren’t cut out to be parents and do it because of familial/societal pressure.
They don’t want to be weird and not have kids because “that’s what you’re supposed to do.”
I feel like many have kids for this reason. Keeping up with the Jones’.
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