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re: "He is a disciple of RINO Paul Ryan, what do you expect?"
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:04 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:04 pm to Jjdoc
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Trump is going off his record. Sorry that offends you.
Yep Trump was pro universal healthcare for a while. He was pro abortion too. Positions change especially something like tweaking SS.
Trump has backed himself into a corner. He can do nothing and let it go broke or raise taxes. He will probably be the coward and do nothing.
10 years from now the Dems will be in power and will raise taxes to fix it. Your dumbass will probably be saying "Trump should have fixed it when he had the chance".
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:12 pm to GumboPot
quote:I'm not sure how those moves rate as "RINO."
Nor do I understand why DJT is focused on RDD whom he leads by 15-40 points, instead of a very vulnerable Potatobrain administration.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:13 pm to Jjdoc
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Not what I was saying. Your MO is that you resort to name calling at some point. Always.
This is wild coming from an only-Trumper. And to be clear, I labeled you a big gov't type. Not really something to get butt hurt about, particularly when you're advocating against cutting gov't spending in this thread.
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I'm nothing like Mitch. I do not support alot of what Mitch supports. including his trade ideas... and that's a biggie!
You didn't follow that my comparison of you to Mitch was about self-identifying as a conservative? I used those very words in that post. So it's not about you and Mitch having the same policy positions/ideas. It's simply - he self-identifies as a conservative, but a lot of people wouldn't consider him one. Based on many of your positions and who you support, I don't consider you very conservative.
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WRONG. Cut things not promised to our citizens. Don't cut what was promised therefore stealing it.
Why don't you ever address that fact (that I've raised 2 or 3 times in this thread) that the "promise" when it was established in 1935 was for social security to be a safety net for the elderly, starting pretty close to the age of life expectancy. But we have changed the "retirement age" for social security as life expectancy has gone up by nearly 15 years.
So is bumping the start of social security benefits from 65 to 70 really going back on a promise? It seems like a reasonable argument that it's not, and that arguing against raising the age threshold is actually an argument for the expansion of the welfare state.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:19 pm to Tiger985
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Wrong. Does Desantis want to play outside of Florida or not?
Democrats have used this issue to gut Republicans for many cycles.
We can have all the conversations we want about entitlement reform and what's right and wrong but what is clear is the issue is a loser for Republicans.
No one is touching Soc Security and Medicare. It's like death and taxes.
One of Desanctus' claims is that he can win but Democrats will kill him on cutting medicare and social security.
Trump understands all of this.
It's a well-known fact that people who make these allegations almost certainly reap the rewards in droves among the blue-hairs. Maybe better employed in the general, but it's money on the table and Trump is picking it up.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:19 pm to GumboPot
Trumps a big spender, willing to kick the can down the road. Something will have to be done. Now govt spending in general needs to be reigned in, entitlements, reduced spending in the brances of govt., medicaid, medicare, SSC, it all needs to be reduced.
We are about to lose the reserve currency status and it will get real ugly. So it needs to be comprehensive across the entire govt.
We are about to lose the reserve currency status and it will get real ugly. So it needs to be comprehensive across the entire govt.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:24 pm to jp4lsu
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Trumps a big spender, willing to kick the can down the road. Something will have to be done. Now govt spending in general needs to be reigned in, entitlements, reduced spending in the brances of govt., medicaid, medicare, SSC, it all needs to be reduced.
We are about to lose the reserve currency status and it will get real ugly. So it needs to be comprehensive across the entire govt.
Exactly. Nail head.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:25 pm to GumboPot
GumboBot
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:26 pm to dr
So you like social security because you paid into it. That’s all you had to say. If anyone thinks SS will ever get gutted by the government refunding what you paid in, it’ll always be here. For better or worse, it hurts ripping off a band-aid and you don’t have the stones to take the heat for the betterment of the country.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:29 pm to jp4lsu
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We are about to lose the reserve currency status and it will get real ugly.
WWIII will happen before we lose the dollar as the reserve currency, IMO.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:39 pm to GumboPot
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"He is a disciple of RINO Paul Ryan, what do you expect?"
And you endorsed Ryan.....and Mittens.....and McCain.....and Turtle......who's the RINO?
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:53 pm to David_DJS
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So is bumping the start of social security benefits from 65 to 70 really going back on a promise? It seems like a reasonable argument that it's not, and that arguing against raising the age threshold is actually an argument for the expansion of the welfare state.
grandmas, wheelchairs...you know democrat things.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 4:55 pm to Jjdoc
Well. One of the two of us is in a cult.
I’ll give you two guesses to figure it out.
I’ll give you two guesses to figure it out.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 4:56 pm to Wednesday
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If Desantis voted for this without making such a case for what do you do with the ppl who have paid in; well - it’s a fair criticism and doesn’t necessarily mean that Trump is somehow not conservative.
Don't come in this thread with common sense, don't you know we have to cut the program we've all paid into all our lives because it's the conservative thing to do.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:19 pm to prattalumni
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Don't come in this thread with common sense, don't you know we have to cut the program we've all paid into all our lives because it's the conservative thing to do.
Seems to me both you and Wednesday do not understand the problem.
People are telling you if changes are not made the money you expect to be there in 20/30 /40 years won't be there. It just won't be there.
The conservative thing to do is acknowledge there is a problem and try and fix it. Find a limited government solution. Raise the age etc.
Trump has chosen to do nothing. Let it blow up. He is approaching this problem as a Democrat would/does.
As long as you are fine with that continue as you are.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:51 pm to frogtown
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Trump has chosen to do nothing.
Because doing nothing with the welfare state is popular. Sorta comes with the territory when you're a populist.
That which can't continue, won't. Sooner or later shite's going to break if it's not maintained, and if we want the economy to look like Jackson's water system then we should keep kicking the can down the road and cross our fingers. Difficult, adult decisions are never popular.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:59 pm to frogtown
quote:Please cut this crap right here and right now.
People are telling you if changes are not made the money you expect to be there in 20/30 /40 years won't be there. It just won't be there.
They have been saying this for over 30 years.
Yes, they have kicked the can down the road.
But it is like managing a household or a business. FIRST YOU CREATE A BUDGET. THEN YOU STOP SPENDING LIKE KIM KARDASHIAN with money you don't have.
Then you stop policing the world and STOP being a Victoria Nuland Obama Arab Spring dick. Stop sending money to launder.
Clean up your own house before you busy body in others.
Raising the age is ridiculous. Trust me.
Just because the establishment and Paul Ryan made some side deals matters not...
Paul Ryan is not elected. There is no way anyone will trust a snake after it bites you. Clean up DC then they can fix the problem.
The world won't end. They can keep printing money until someone takes the check book, debit, credit cards, away from them.
Spare me the belly aching about YOU won't get YOUR money when you are 66.5. When you are near this age you won't tolerate the establishment Paul Ryan crooks anymore and fall for every shiny object.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:09 pm to cajunangelle
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Please cut this crap right here and right now.
Please STFU.
This is a math equation.
You do nothing, your benefits will begin to start decreasing in about 10 years.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 8:23 pm to cajunangelle
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They have been saying this for over 30 years.
They have been changing the tax rate to keep the payments going for over 70 years.
1950 - SS tax was 1.5%
1978 - SS tax was 5.0%
1990- SS tax was 6.2%
Your employer pays the same.
This tax will again have to go upward to keep the payments going.
Your choices, increase ss taxes(there are various ways) or raise the age or change the formula. Or some sort of combination from the three.
Doing nothing is not an option. Doing nothing will result in a benefit cut in about 10 years. Trump wants to do nothing. Trump is advocating a benefit cut by doing nothing.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:33 pm to frogtown
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Seems to me both you and Wednesday do not understand the problem.
People are telling you if changes are not made the money you expect to be there in 20/30 /40 years won't be there. It just won't be there.
We see the problem, but you are not past talking points in the conversation.
It's not going to run out. It will automatically simply reduce it's pay out.
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The conservative thing to do is acknowledge there is a problem and try and fix it. Find a limited government solution. Raise the age etc.
You are superficial on the issue. You believe that raising the age is conservative and the only method.
As pointed out over and over and over in this thread it isn't.
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Trump has chosen to do nothing. Let it blow up. He is approaching this problem as a Democrat would/does.
And now you are lying. This goes back to the lack of comprehension.
Your issue is that because you equate raising the age as the only solution that Trump being against it means "Do nothing."
Show me where he stated that. I can show you where you are wrong.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:37 pm to BugAC
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trying to convince yourself that massive government spending is gonna make America great.
There are 576425 ways to balance the budget and save SS. But people want easy. Easy is not going to fix where we have allowed ourselves to get.
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