David_DJS

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I agree with you that you aren't a practicing Catholic if you aren't regularly attending Mass, but I don't think that helps the case of the claim of unity. They are still nominal Catholics and are part of the one apostolic church according to Rome, so whether they are faithful Catholics or not, they are still included in this claim to unity.

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Don't agree. A "Republican" that has voted for every Dem candidate for president the last 25 years is no longer a Republican and shouldn't be considered when defining characteristics of Republicans. He's a Democrat that hasn't gotten around to changing his party affiliation. Likewise, someone who answers the question, "are you Catholic, Protestant, Jewish or Muslim?" with, "well, I'm none of the above but was baptized Catholic 40 years ago, so I guess put my down for Catholic even though that was the last time I was in a church" - that ain't a Catholic.

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I do know anecdotally that there are at least some Catholics that disagree with the official teachings. Most of the Catholics in the Democrat party are this way.

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I'm not even sure that's the case. I think there are shite loads that say something like this, "I agree abortion is a sin, but don't think we should be foisting our religious beliefs on others." I have heard, "I believe adultery is a sin but I don't support laws making it illegal, same goes for abortion" about a dozen times from Catholic libs.

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...why?

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You think the federal government is going to cut a bunch of old people off of a benefit that would put them in the soup lines? :lol:

FFS we can't stop making millionaires out of fraudsters and you think fedgov is going cut 85 yo grandma living on a fixed income off of 75% of her income?

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Thank you for your honesty on this matter. I hope you consider this in the future when discussing Protestants being fractured while Catholicism being united

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I haven't posted about Protestants outside of asking if there were official churches that support abortion rights. I'm pretty good at not posting about things I'm unfamiliar with, and I'm not familiar with religions outside of Catholicism. In fact, I wasn't even aware of the "friction" between Catholics and Protestants (outside of Northern Ireland) until I read about it in these threads.

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Similarly, 56% of Protestants and 54% of Catholics say abortion is morally wrong, somewhat above the overall sample average of 48%.

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The same relationships pertain to other measures of abortion attitudes. For example, the percentage of all Americans who think abortion is morally wrong ranges from 75% among weekly religious service attenders to less than half of that among those who seldom or never attend. And the percentage of weekly church attenders who say abortion should be illegal in all or most circumstances ranges from 78% among weekly church attenders and 64% among those who go almost every week, down to 36% among those who never attend.
If you're not attending Mass every Sunday, you're not a practicing Catholic.

And I'm still skeptical of the numbers. All sorts of ways to conduct a poll.

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Nope. You don't understand what you are talking about. If you are a "Catholic Institution" physically operating in a Bishop's diocese, you are subject to his ultimate authority. Go ask anyone running one anywhere.

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Do you think the Bishop could shut that university down if he instructed it to dis-invite Pelosi, and it didn't?

He couldn't.

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While the Catholic Church itself holds that abortion is wrong and should not be legal, 6 in 10 U.S. adult Catholics say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a newly released profile of Catholicism by Pew Research.

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Why don't you post what percentage of Catholics think abortion is a mortal sin? By making this about legal/not legal, you're roping in a shite ton of Catholics who believe abortion is murder, but think it's wrong to impose Catholic doctrine on the public.

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That's great! I'm glad the Archbishop of San Francisco did that. However, she then went to Rome and got a blessing from the Pope, himself.

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Yep. Francis was a shitty pope and Leo hasn't started any better.

Francis argued he would not "politicize" the sacraments, and that anybody could walk up and take communion, but only those in good standing as a Catholic were truly receiving the body and blood. Weak sauce when you're not talking about some rando nobody knows but that's different from the pope's position that you/I were debating yesterday.

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Surely the order of nuns is under the 'authority' of the Vatican, correct?

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To the degree the Vatican can decide who's speaking at the school? No.

I think if the school, as an institution, came out in support of abortion rights, the Church could step in.

I think Notre Dame (the big one) has a lot of faculty that are pro-abortion.

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Founded by the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur and labels itself a Catholic institution. Several of the nuns sit on its board of trustees.

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And still not controlled by the Catholic Church. :lol:

You could label yourself a Catholic institution and spout off nonsense all day long. That doesn't mean you're under the authority/controlled by the Catholic Church.

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Referring to Leo and his 'house.'

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This makes no sense in light of what I've posted in this thread. Like I said, you have difficulty reading/comprehending things you don't like.

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I'm not Catholic, I'm not a theologian, but surely those countless theologians at the Vatican can come up with some adequate consequences

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This is a cop out. You've clearly, and with some passion, argued that the "strongly worded letter", which instructed Pelosi to not receive sacrements until she has confessed her grave sins related to abortion rights support, was woefully inadequate. So tell us what the Church should be doing.

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Pelosi speaking at a Catholic college props her up as some kind of example to the students, and a heinous example she is.

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Do you think this university is in any way controlled by the Catholic Church?

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Oh, you're one of the holier than thou ones.

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Not at all. I grew up Catholic but haven't been practicing for a couple of decades. I have serious issues with today's Catholic church and its pope. But that doesn't make me go full retard.

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What are the consequences for maintaining a position that's against doctrine? Withholding communion, excommunication, what?!?! Apparently you know it all.

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Again, in practical terms - what should the Church be doing in your opinion?

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As I said, clean out the trash from your own house before you criticize someone else's house.

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Whose house did I criticize?