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frogtown
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I really wish folks could back off the "I'm right -- everyone else is wrong BS,"
I will say this again in regards to tariffs.
You can take all the great "right wing" economists from the last fifty years. They are all in 100% agreement that tariffs will harm the economy.
I am on their side. You are not. That is fine. You can have your opinion.
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That's your second self-own in two posts.
You come up with crazy stuff. What can I say.
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Point(s) in CPI.
You just self-owned.
Well I quit paying attention to you since the time you tried to prove China was paying for the tariffs imposed by Trump. Those were good times. I just laughed and laughed.
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What's your measure?
You have to look at certain data points in CPI. You cannot use CPI as a whole because the majority of it is domestic goods and services.
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GDP/debt. GDP only insofar as debt is going to increase regardless.
So you are measuring the effects of tariffs on import prices with debt to GDP. Wow.
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Now then, what is the beef with tariff revenue under these circumstances?
What is the downside of doing this?
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No sir!
We are talking about general economics!
I will ask again. What is your measure?
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Seems pretty straightforward. Have prices went up" as much as "prices had went up" prior to Liberation Day?
What is your measure? We are talking about import prices BTW.
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Have prices went up" as much as "prices had went up" prior to Liberation Day?
WTF are you talking about?
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And as pointed out, prices have not gone up more than normal.
You have lost the argument Frog
We are talking about "carves out".
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Nobody expects prices to go DOWN. Just like they don't expect to earn the same amount of money next year as they earn this year. What people want is for the rate of inflation to go down. That is happening. They also want wages to go up more than inflation does. That is also happening. It did not under the Biden administration.
Inflation is lower. You can take some things, like gas, and see that they are lower than they were a year ago. Other things may be much higher, like beef. Overall, things are slightly higher, as to be expected. Nobody wants negative inflation.
An increase in price and inflation are different things. I am talking about a price increase, not inflation. So you can forget about the inflation argument.
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There are always carveouts. Nothing new here
The effective tariff rate was 2% to 3% in 2024. Now it is around 15% I believe.
Carve outs didn't matter much before because the rate was so low. Now they do.
If you don't think these "carve outs" won't be used to enrich those in Government, well, I don't know what to tell you.
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holy frick we are fricked as that snowballs
Yep and our leaders have no plan going forward except to spend more.
re: Massie the only republican to vote against the SAVE Act
Posted by frogtown on 2/12/26 at 7:28 am to First Sergeant1
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Man….that’s crazy because I saw another that showed he was the only one that voted no….which is true?
You obviously didn't read the fine print and got taken advantage of by one of the many MAGA influencers.
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All of them minus Jugbow?
It is a good thing Jugbow wasn't here today. He would have completely lost it.
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I don't understand why Trump is catching shite on this. Prices have NOT skyrocketed, as people have said, and all Trump is doing is looking at inequalities built into the system and trying to level the playing field.
You have failed to read the room.
Prices have went up. This comes just after the hit American consumers took from COVID inflation. Consumers are tired of it. They want it to stop.
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People who benefited from the old system don't like it.
Who is benefitting the Trump system of personally being involved in every deal and doing special carve outs? I don't need to tell you it will be those in government. Use your head here.
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True. But he has said he would like ZERO tariffs if other countries would not tariff US goods or put other barriers to trade on US goods.
There are zero tariffs with many products in the USMCA. Trump is looking to blow that up that agreement. There is a review on July 1, 2026 which allows Trump to terminate it. We will see what happens.
Vietnam thought they had a "zero tariff" agreement with the US. They were surprised to see it announced at 18%.
Bottom line. Trump wants the revenue created by the tariffs. He doesn't want "zero for zero".
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Tariffs have not been the drain on our economy that people have warned us of, and it helps us balance our trade deficits.
They are a tax. They take money out of the hands of American consumers with which they would have been able to purchase more goods and services. They reduce your standard of living. Just like a tax increase does.
These are not my words. These are the words of every decent right wing economist who has studied tariffs over the last 50 years. I am talking about Friedman, Rothbard and Hoppe.
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A lot of that is tariffs on products that should be manufactured in the US for national security reasons, like medicines and computer chips.
OK. We will give you that.
Tariff industry with a national security interest.
That is not what Trump wants to do nor is it what he is doing. Trump wants universal baseline tariffs. He wants tariffs on all imports whether they are a national security interest or not.
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He is a parrot that repeats lies from politicians.
They don't have to be lies from politicians. SDVtiger just flat out makes stuff up.
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Frogtard said alls well in GA and Orange bad lost fair and sqaure cause no one likes him there
STFU liar. All you know how to do is lie.
I was one of the first on this board to question the insane vote totals coming out of Fulton County and said it was due to fraud. Hit the link.
Fulton County
Where were you at this time? I believe you where having your identity crisis. You went through five or six names. Didn't know if you were a boy or girl. If I recall you where having a really difficult time.
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He’s been saying we’ve been screwed in our deals with various countries for decades now.
Trump negotiated the USMCA during his first term. This is what he said about it.
"The USMCA is the fairest, most balanced, and beneficial trade agreement we have ever signed into law. It’s the best agreement we’ve ever made, and we have others coming."
Does not sound like he thinks "we've been getting screwed."
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Frogtard
As usual, you can't stop lying. There are posts made by me after the 2020 election questioning the vote totals that came out of Fulton County. I said there was fraud.
Perhaps you should look those up liar.
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In 2025, Yass has been one of the biggest backers of Trump and Republican PACs:
$16 million to the MAGA Inc. PAC, the largest contribution from an individual to its coffers so far this year;
So Jeff Yass is funding Rand Paul and Massie to go after Trump. While at the same time funding Trump.
I must admit that is brilliant.
re: The spending bill just signed funds what the US owes the UN. Infuriating!
Posted by frogtown on 2/8/26 at 10:29 am to PorkSammich
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Massie voted against this lib horseshite.
That is right. MAGA went ape-shat on this board when Massie voted against this. They said he voted with the Dems.
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Massie is libertarian so he’s the definition of republican in name only.
From Google AI.
The Republican Party is known to support right-leaning ideologies of conservatism, social conservatism, and economic libertarianism, among other -isms. Thus, Republicans broadly advocate for traditional values, a low degree of government interference, and large support of the private sector.
Massie fits this definition way better than Trump.
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The dude is an asset to the commies. It’s odd how you are so comfortable with that.
Don't be an idiot. You guys are at war with a group of economic libertarians that vote with the GOP. Perhaps you need to step back and reevaluate.
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Exactly why is that your opinion? And please don’t simply say “because he’s a principled conservative” or “because he doesn’t take AIPAC donations.”
JFC. You won't share your thoughts or opine on what it means to be a Republican or a conservative. Why should he?
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No idea. Doesn’t change the fact that hypocrite Massie (and the other republicans) sided with Dems to increase it. Then complain when Trump does.
JFC. Yes you know the answer. Either that or you are an idiot.
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Absolutely. But get guarantees. Don’t get duped like Massie did.
Except Massie didn't get duped.
The bill had spending cuts/work requirements for SNAP/clawbacks on COVID funds/ended the student loan repayment moratorium.
Those are all good things that lower the debt.
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I’m really trying to understand his reasoning.
Maybe I’m missing something.
He took the MAGA narrative against Massie and ran with it.
Full steam ahead. He repeated it daily and ignored the truth when confronted. He has been blown up on this before.
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Yep. If Massie had voted no it wouldn’t have passed. Just as I have always said.
How many times in US history has the debt ceiling not been raised? How many? Give me a number.
If the debt ceiling has to be raised, shouldn't it be used as leverage for spending cuts? Yes or no?
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Massie and you were all in on Ron who was Aipac and Miriams choice for Prez
Thats very embarrassing for Tom but since hes anti orange its allowed by you massholes
He top donor is a libertarian.
You need to repeat that one hundred times.
Let that sink into your head.
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It’s a label. Its a party.
There are certain ideals that define being a Republican. You can look those up.
Does the person you are calling a RINO uphold those ideals?
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