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re: Daniel Penny’s jury is deadlocked in the verdict. Update: Manslaughter charge dismissed..
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:58 am to Dex Morgan
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:58 am to Dex Morgan
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The same people wanting to convict Penny are cheering on the murderer of the United Healthcare CEO.
Yeah...funny how they would be singing a different tune were they being molested/threatened on the subway or if it were their friend/relative being hunted down...quite frankly...frick them!
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:59 am to Athis
This one should be unanimous not guilty
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:01 pm to DownSouthJukin
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That's a small victory for Penny in this case. Hopefully they decide not to retry if this ends up being a hung jury/mistrial.
quote:not so sure about that for one reason: Bragg has tried to racialize this already and sees it as his Bernie Goetz moment.
Highly doubt that they will not retry him.
Because his constituents are in lockstep with him, he can milk it for political capital with no backlash. Which means he can drag it on and on with no consequences for himself.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:06 pm to I20goon
If the jury acquits Penny of the charge the prosecutor brought originally & hangs on a lesser... the case is then over, no?
That would be double jeopardy if the prosecution tries to refile at the lesser, right?
That would be double jeopardy if the prosecution tries to refile at the lesser, right?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:10 pm to Athis
How can a judge ask someone who is voting not guilty to go back and reconsider? Isn’t that the deficit reasonable doubt at that point?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:16 pm to Athis
Shame on the prosecutors and their bosses. Willing to put a man in prison over woke politics.
Remember when defense attorneys were viewed as the bigger shitbags?
Remember when defense attorneys were viewed as the bigger shitbags?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:18 pm to rt3
quote:not a lawyer, just a near-convict the Feds hate, so....
If the jury acquits Penny of the charge the prosecutor brought originally & hangs on a lesser... the case is then over, no?
That would be double jeopardy if the prosecution tries to refile at the lesser, right?
but what I understand it would depend on the charge sheet; two common scenarios:
1. The judge/charge sheet said the jury could consider a lesser charge as an option.
2. They are two wholly independent charges (I believe this is the case here).
If #2 is indeed the case then each charge can be tried independently so no jeopardy would be attached.
The tell of the tape is if Bragg asks for a mistrial early because of deadlock. If he does that, which a prosecutor normally would not do, it means he wants the show to continue at the risk of the judge dismissing it upon declaration. It's worth the risk because it is just a show for him.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:23 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:It's no victory at all. What kind of imbeciles was Bragg able to seat?
That's a small victory for Penny in this case.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:25 pm to TrueTiger
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If I was on that jury I would hang TF out of it.
Looks like that’s what’s happening from at least a few sane people.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:42 pm to Athis
The Judge will make them reach a guilty verdict by forcing them to deliberate until conviction. This will not end well for Penny.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:43 pm to Reagan80
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will make them reach a guilty verdict
I would tell him that he would have to kill me before that happens.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:46 pm to Athis
Set him free then.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:47 pm to TrueTiger
If found guilty, Trump should pardon him first day in office.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:48 pm to Athis
Well if this is a hung jury then doesn't that mean Penny is not guilty. Isn't that the reason the DA brought the case to court, to see if he is guilty? If they didn't find him guilty then he should be walking on that charge. Undoubtedly th DA didn't prove his case.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:51 pm to Athis
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:52 pm to chity
Has be been incarcerated this whole time? Hopefully he's free on bail at least.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:54 pm to rt3
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If the jury acquits Penny of the charge the prosecutor brought originally & hangs on a lesser... the case is then over, no?
That would be double jeopardy if the prosecution tries to refile at the lesser, right?
Correct.
Once acquitted of a crime you cannot be retried for the same crime on a lesser charge.
However, this one will likely end in mistrial/hung jury so it can be retried
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:55 pm to chity
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If found guilty, Trump should pardon him first day in office
I thought the president can only pardon federal charges?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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What kind of imbeciles was Bragg able to seat?
One of the jurors has been double masked the entire trial.
Not making that up, fyi
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:57 pm to 632627
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I thought the president can only pardon federal charges?
Correct, only Hochul (or a future NY Gov) could.
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