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re: Daily Caller writer out with some truth: Neo-Never Trumpism Will Sink DeSantis
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:21 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:21 pm to RobbBobb
Where is the lie? Did I mention any specific donor? There are Trump donors who have given him $10 million that are also DeSantis donors.
Right now Trump is bragging about raising $1.5 million off the Bragg legal farce, which is a drop in the bucket for most campaigns. He is hungry for money and wants to tap these donors, which I fully believe is driving some of his attacks on Ron. He needs him out of the way.
Right now Trump is bragging about raising $1.5 million off the Bragg legal farce, which is a drop in the bucket for most campaigns. He is hungry for money and wants to tap these donors, which I fully believe is driving some of his attacks on Ron. He needs him out of the way.
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:27 pm to RobbBobb
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Griffin did however give a million to Obama,
Jjdoc voted for Obama. Where does that put him in your assessment?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:30 pm to honeybadger07
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By rational do you mean like a typical politician??
I mean like during the 2016 primaries, when he was acting like such an abrasive idiot, people were saying he's just doing this in the primaries and will run a more conventional campaign for the general.
Then, after that didn't happen, people were saying that he'll run a more conventional administration than his campaign might indicate.
Then, after that didn't happen...
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I laugh my arse off when i see the people that said Trump embarrasses us on a national stage with the things he says...only to have potato head come in and say hold my pudding, watch this man. You people think y'all are such righteous godly perfect people. LMFAO. This is a dog fight against people that will make up the most ridiculous shite at the most ridiculous levels and you expect the man to just sit back and take the "high road" like those losers Romney & McCain.
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stop acting like a women [sic] and letting your emotions dictate your thinking.
indeed
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:31 pm to GumboPot
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Let me give the Never Trumpers a little advice. The way you beat Trump is on the issues. Their problem is, their ideas are not popular.
Doesn't really matter when Trump and his supporters blatantly lie and distort the truth.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:35 pm to fargobison
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Right now Trump is bragging about raising $1.5 million off the Bragg legal farce, which is a drop in the bucket for most campaigns.
That is a terrible number
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No one is talking about the limits to which we can raise interest rates to combat inflation due to the increased cost to finance the enormous debt load. Is the plan to simply inflate our way out of the debt?
Was part of Trump's plan. In fact, despite what the few here want to shout from the roof top, Trump had a multi prong attack
1- reduce illegal immigration
2- put Americans back to work by fixing trade and taxes.
The first 2 proved that it increases the amount of taxes going in.
It also reduced the amount of people on welfare. And it worked.
3- put the military on a path that nobody in the right or wrong mind would want to f with the USA.
4- and pull out of never ending wars.
These 2 things were spend to fix the issues in military, while reducing costs. We spent trillion over seas in never ending wars.
5- Trump also put in to place things that forced people off welfare.
6- Trump was roasted for cutting the budget after his early plans were successful.
So yes.. Trump did indeed Rey to cut spending.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:51 pm to Indefatigable
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Should we just go ahead and grant Trump the nomination for 2028 as well as 2024? What about even 2032?
I don't know about nomination. He should probably just remain in power until death or abdication.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:02 pm to Indefatigable
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The fact that you guys cannot fathom that there are non-Lincoln Project, Trump-voting conservative Republicans who support DeSantis getting the nomination is astounding.
Nobody suggested there aren't. However there are some people here who actually use the Lincoln Project talking points.
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There simply are people in the party who actually want to win the next Presidential election. None of those people pay any attention whatsoever to the Lincoln Project losers, and the LP has zero bearing on their support of DeSantis.
And there is the issue faced for conservatives. You fail and refuse to grasp that America First isn't about just winning to be winning.
It is 100% all about moving away from the GOPE who has taken this country down the leftist path and globalism
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:06 pm to Indefatigable
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The fact that you guys cannot fathom that there are non-Lincoln Project, Trump-voting conservative Republicans who support DeSantis getting the nomination is astounding.
Nobody suggested there aren't. However there are some people here who actually use the Lincoln Project talking points.
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There simply are people in the party who actually want to win the next Presidential election. None of those people pay any attention whatsoever to the Lincoln Project losers, and the LP has zero bearing on their support of DeSantis.
And there is the issue faced for conservatives. You fail and refuse to grasp that America First isn't about just winning to be winning.
It is 100% all about moving away from the GOPE who has taken this country down the leftist path and globalism
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:09 pm to Jjdoc
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It is 100% all about moving away from the GOPE who has taken this country down the leftist path and globalism
Yes, I know. I have become very familiar with that massive lack of pragmatism that will force everyone to live under a President Biden and his policies for 8 years.
"America First, where we believe that the perfect is the enemy of the good."
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:11 pm to fargobison
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The same money that Trump is desperate for?
Nope. Although they have started calling him.
Griffin never donated to Trump. After the election..the election... he gave to his inauguration fund to try and gain a seat at the table.
The issue here is laid out pretty damn well in the article that you guys are arguing with.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:12 pm to 19
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Old Glory is not the GOP. If you think for one second I won't sit on my arse and NOT vote for your beloved uniparty cucks, try me. I am conservative, not Republican. If you don't understand the difference, then you are no different than the swampfilth that keeps fooling you.
And if you don’t understand that Mitch McConnell is better than Chuck Schumer for the future of this country than you are no different than antifa.
And for the they’re all the same NPCs I point you to sotomayor vs gorsuch
You wanna act out in the primary be my friggin guest. I can think it’s dumb but whatever but I won’t respect you for abandoning this country in the general.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:12 pm to Jjdoc
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Was part of Trump's plan
May have been, but like much of the Trump agenda, amounted to a nothingburger.
Illegal immigration - I've never actually seen an economic breakdown of Trump's efforts at the border. Did it help? Probably, has it been quantified?
Fixing trade and taxes - is a bit of a generalization, but trade tariffs against China haven't really seemed to help. China needs to have MFN status revoked. Trump never addressed that. He gets credit for updating NAFTA. Other than that, he didn't really make a whole lot of deals like I thought he would've.
put the military on a path that nobody in the right or wrong mind would want to f with the USA. - I'm not sure to what you refer here, I'm told that the military is filled with just a bunch of queers and no one is scared of it.
pull out of never ending wars. - except when given the chance, he didn't. The potato did, and was roasted for it.
We spent trillion over seas in never ending wars. - Trump contributed to that.
Trump was roasted for cutting the budget - the 2007-08 budget was, I think, the last budget passed and signed.
Trump did indeed Rey to cut spending. - more importantly he badgered the Fed to cut the rate while the economy was in a period of growth. That indicates either a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the Federal Reserve, or just pure narcissism.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:12 pm to fargobison
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Where is the lie? Did I mention any specific donor?
Well, since you didnt happen to mention any in your bold assertion? You can now list those that actually did give to Trump in 2020, that wont in 2024?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:18 pm to Indefatigable
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Jjdoc voted for Obama. Where does that put him in your assessment?
You want me to criticize someone who left the DIM party ala Ronald Reagan, to vote for Trump vs those wanting me to leave Trump
You didnt think this post all the way thru
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:21 pm to Jjdoc
quote:I have seen it more than once on this forum. Downgrading the working class as dumb rednecks. Literally a post here last night-- hoping Trump dies from too many McDonalds hamburgers.
Whatever the reasons, the Neo-Never Trumper tone is the same as it was before Trump became president. They criticize Trump like jilted ex-lovers.
The tone is shrill and bitter. And, like the old Never Trumpers, their ire eventually turns to Trump supporters, mocking them as stupid rubes. This rhetoric is self-defeating in real-world politics, but it gets a lot of engagement on Twitter. So people double down on Trump Derangement even if it alienates the typical Republican voter.
As they spin into frenzies trying to make themselves appear as if they truly just want Ron politically. They are seemingly delighted that Ron pulled off faking out the dumb Trump supporters.
But then turn rabid when they see he didn't fake us out.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:25 pm to Jjdoc
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Neo-Never Trumpism
is for losers
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:28 pm to Jjdoc
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Whatever the reasons, the Neo-Never Trumper tone is the same as it was before Trump became president. They criticize Trump like jilted ex-lovers. The tone is shrill and bitter. And, like the old Never Trumpers, their ire eventually turns to Trump supporters, mocking them as stupid rubes. This rhetoric is self-defeating in real-world politics, but it gets a lot of engagement on Twitter. So people double down on Trump Derangement even if it alienates the typical Republican voter
This is laser guided on the mark.
And, the attacks smell and look exactly like Democrats and fake Republicans like Rick Wilson and McCain. They not only have adopted their opinion (Never Trump), they've adopted their tactics.
Desantis' only path was to ALIGN himself with Trump and Trump's platform. And, the could have implicitly let Democrats and Never Trumpers go after Trump while he repeatedly made the case that Trump can't win because he's such a lighting rod.
Instead, somebody really, really dumb convinced him that he was the one that needed to be attacking Trump (as if there was a short supply of it). It's actually funny how dumb of a strategy that is.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:30 pm to cajunangelle
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have seen it more than once on this forum. Downgrading the working class as dumb rednecks. Literally a post here last night-- hoping Trump dies from too many McDonalds hamburgers. As they spin into frenzies trying to make themselves appear as if they truly just want Ron politically. They are seemingly delighted that Ron pulled off faking out the dumb Trump supporters.
the group that calls people who support candidates all perverse variations of cuckhold is looking for sympathyPosted on 3/23/23 at 3:31 pm to Pettifogger
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One side has a preference and will not sink the party if it's not realized. They won't pretend that they will, and thus, they won't have a lot of leverage.
Have you never heard of NeverTrumpers? And, people that aren't NeverTrumpers are using those tactics and that rhetoric and guaranteeing that the "other side" will be alienated.
You probably ought to read this article.
In truth, The Desantis "clan" is every bit as emotional and irrational as they pretend the Trump "clan" is. You've been a great example of it.
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