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Daily Caller writer out with some truth: Neo-Never Trumpism Will Sink DeSantis
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:34 am
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DeSantis’s dismissive message isn’t what the base wants to hear. The GOP base sees an indictment on themselves. They do not see it as a minor issue.
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Many conservatives believe DeSantis can take Trump head-on. They urge the governor to start attacking the former president in the belief that it will destroy the Orange Menace. Meghan McCain’s husband Ben Domenech provided the latest example of this argument in an article that demanded Ron call Don a “loser.”
There is that McCain involvement ...connection.
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People like Rick Wilson argued back in 2016 that bringing up Trump’s “tiny hands” will be the killshot. Marco Rubio followed the advice and promptly got crushed in the Super Tuesday primaries. DeSantis is even less charismatic than Rubio and more awkward on the stump. The governor trying to one-up Trump will just lead to Trump bullying him even more and turning off Republican voters from Ron. Like with the tiny hands discourse in 2016, attacks on Trump will only excite the conservative commentariat on Twitter, but it will fall flat with actual primary voters. Ordinary Republicans like Trump more now than they did in 2016. It’s a huge gamble for an uncharismatic politician who owes his career to Trump to try to beat the former president at his own game.
Conservative media, in its infinite stupidity, thinks this is a smart move.
Now for those here who fall into this category:
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Whatever the reasons, the Neo-Never Trumper tone is the same as it was before Trump became president. They criticize Trump like jilted ex-lovers. The tone is shrill and bitter. And, like the old Never Trumpers, their ire eventually turns to Trump supporters, mocking them as stupid rubes. This rhetoric is self-defeating in real-world politics, but it gets a lot of engagement on Twitter. So people double down on Trump Derangement even if it alienates the typical Republican voter.
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The GOP nominee will be Trump unless legal problems persuade him to drop out. If the nominee is not Trump, the victorious candidate will be the one who best positions himself as the loyal successor to the former president.
DeSantis is not making that pitch. He’s appealing to his online fan base to the detriment of his own political fortunes. Neo-Never Trumpism is a political dead end.
Scott Greer--- Daily Caller Writer
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:39 am to Jjdoc
There are going to be thousands of pages written about this "feud".
And it'll always come down to this:
One side has a preference and will not sink the party if it's not realized. They won't pretend that they will, and thus, they won't have a lot of leverage.
The other side will make such threats, and it's unclear if they'll follow through. But they will use the leverage of possibly following through to try and demoralize the other side to avoid getting to that point.
The shrill, hostile, violent, aggressive tone referenced the article is applicable to Trump supporters, as in fact is far more prevalent among Trump supporters. But that's a feature on that side, not a bug, and combined with the above threat to blow it all up, they can behave that way with impunity - as can their candidate - and nobody can really object to it (because the objectors don't have the threat of sabotage to back it up).
And it'll always come down to this:
One side has a preference and will not sink the party if it's not realized. They won't pretend that they will, and thus, they won't have a lot of leverage.
The other side will make such threats, and it's unclear if they'll follow through. But they will use the leverage of possibly following through to try and demoralize the other side to avoid getting to that point.
The shrill, hostile, violent, aggressive tone referenced the article is applicable to Trump supporters, as in fact is far more prevalent among Trump supporters. But that's a feature on that side, not a bug, and combined with the above threat to blow it all up, they can behave that way with impunity - as can their candidate - and nobody can really object to it (because the objectors don't have the threat of sabotage to back it up).
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:40 am to Jjdoc
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:41 am to Jjdoc
Should we just go ahead and grant Trump the nomination for 2028 as well as 2024? What about even 2032?
When will it no longer be "his turn"? Or are we all stuck backing a horse that cannot win until Trump dies?
When will it no longer be "his turn"? Or are we all stuck backing a horse that cannot win until Trump dies?
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:42 am to Jjdoc
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The GOP nominee will be Trump unless legal problems persuade him to drop out.
I can't believe people still think Trump will one day start acting like a rational human being.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:43 am to Pettifogger
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But that's a feature on that side, not a bug, and combined with the above threat to blow it all up, they can behave that way with impunity - as can their candidate - and nobody can really object to it (because the objectors don't have the threat of sabotage to back it up).
This.
Sad!
They wave the American flag and threaten to drive it off a cliff at the same time.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:43 am to Jjdoc
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There is that McCain involvement ...connection.
A comment is not a connection.
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People like Rick Wilson
Those people are not involved in this at all. This is an entirely new dynamic.
This is very different than 2016.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:43 am to Indefatigable
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When will it no longer be "his turn"? Or are we all stuck backing a horse that cannot win until Trump dies?
I have no idea if they've since pivoted, but the people leading the Trump-at-all-costs movement on this board quite seriously proposed the Trump children serve multiple terms after Trump served two. I haven't heard it as much lately, but it was very widespread on here with most of our typical characters advocating for it.
Which is pretty telling, IMO
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:44 am to Jjdoc
Let me give the Never Trumpers a little advice. The way you beat Trump is on the issues. Their problem is, their ideas are not popular.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:44 am to Indefatigable
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Indefatigable
Perfect example of the article written.
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When will it no longer be "his turn"?
Example.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:45 am to Jjdoc
How much did you get paid for this one?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:46 am to Jjdoc
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Perfect example of the article written.
How so?
I have voted for him twice and will do so again if he is the nominee.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:47 am to Jjdoc
Another media person calling out DeSantis?
Sounds like how Trump was treated in 2016. Everyone is afraid of the newb.
Sounds like how Trump was treated in 2016. Everyone is afraid of the newb.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:47 am to Jjdoc
DeSantis will rue the day he listened to the Paul Ryans and began running a shadow campaign
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:47 am to GumboPot
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Let me give the Never Trumpers a little advice. The way you beat Trump is on the issues. Their problem is, their ideas are not popular.
JJ is talking about DeSantis people, not actual never-Trump people. And if the ideas of DeSantis people weren't popular, why would Trump be spending so much of his time crafting an agenda to copy DeSantis?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:49 am to POTUS2024
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Those people are not involved in this at all. This is an entirely new dynamic.
Yes they are.
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This is very different than 2016.
Right over your head it went.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:50 am to Pettifogger
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I have no idea if they've since pivoted, but the people leading the Trump-at-all-costs movement on this board quite seriously proposed the Trump children serve multiple terms after Trump served two. I haven't heard it as much lately, but it was very widespread on here with most of our typical characters advocating for it.
Which is pretty telling, IMO
And here it is again.
LOL. No it's not wide spread. And personally i have stated I do not want dynasties. LOL
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:51 am to Jjdoc
Basically. Ya can't beat trump in a shite talking contest. shite talking isn't the style of Desantis. It looks awkward when Desantis tries to shite talk.
I still remember after trump won in 2016, Maxine Waters said that it may be an impeachable offense if trump created the nickname "crooked Hillary". Trump is such a profound shite talker that Democrats wanted to impeach him because he talked shite during an election campaign.
Desantis, he needs to stay away from shite talking. He needs to force the focus to his war against wokeness.
I still remember after trump won in 2016, Maxine Waters said that it may be an impeachable offense if trump created the nickname "crooked Hillary". Trump is such a profound shite talker that Democrats wanted to impeach him because he talked shite during an election campaign.
Desantis, he needs to stay away from shite talking. He needs to force the focus to his war against wokeness.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:52 am to Jjdoc
SMOOTH BRAIN SQUAD
ASSEMBLE!
ASSEMBLE!
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:55 am to Jjdoc
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LOL. No it's not wide spread. And personally i have stated I do not want dynasties. LOL
I'm not sure if this is true or not. When you voted for Obama I seem to recall you talking about how Michelle would likely make a strong POTUS as well.
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