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Posted on 3/23/23 at 5:08 pm to frogtown
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MAGA equals populism. I put conservatism over populism and it is not close.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 5:22 pm to Lou Pai
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Cruz nearly lost in his re-election bid against Beta, and is more unlikable and actually sanctimonious than DeSantis. DeSantis destroyed his opponent in his re-election bid and helped FL turn from purple to solidly red in 2022. I think the parallels are limited.
That’s fair though I do think the opponent played a role in that I think Beta was a more dangerous candidate than the tired old retread party flip flopper dug out of mothballs by Florida Democrats that was Crist.
But I do think DeSantis has more of a record than Cruz and is a better candidate than Cruz.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 5:33 pm to frogtown
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MAGA equals populism. I put conservatism over populism and it is not close
Name the last conservative to win the presidency.
The GOP has been selling conservatism on the campaign trail and never governing that way for decades.
It has signed on to multiple Omnibus budgets. And we are 30+ Trillion in debt. And most importantly, we are seeing very clear signs of political power being acquired by those benefitting from the spending.
The economy is shifting towards government determined success. And corporations are spending major money to swing politics.
It’s way too late for conservatism to fix this. And the GOP leadership sure as hell isn’t conservative.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 6:16 pm to moneyg
Correct
Posted on 3/23/23 at 6:22 pm to jlc05
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You’re a moron if you truly believe that
I think maybe you’re just big mad
he is mad.
JLNOLESCUCK 69 is completely unhinged man. he act like an emotional bitche. pure emotions.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 6:30 pm to moneyg
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Name the last conservative to win the presidency.
on what issue? you are crying over 1 policy.
makes zero sense. you are what the majority of your policies are. trump and reagan were conservative on vast majority of their policies. tell me they were overall mods or libs and i will laugh at you.
because they were not conservative on spending does not wipe out 20 plus other conservative policies. they both spent heavy on defense whereas libs never did. libs made cuts that hurt the military. what is the governments main function/responsibility again with our tax payer dollars? defense. you need cuts across the board over many government institutions.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 6:50 pm to Indefatigable
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Jjdoc voted for Obama. Where does that put him in your assessment?
LOL!! Bless it's heart. all he can do resort to lying and personal attacks.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 6:58 pm to Fat Bastard
Fats, he was saying what you said.
That we have been duped.
That we have been duped.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:10 pm to Lou Pai
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And you have your fellow Trumpers on here disavowing conservatism
Mo you don't. Your issue is not understanding the dynamics of the word "conservative".
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describing themselves as populist,
The terms you are looking for are:
- Conservative Populism
- Populist Conservative
Now let's take F.H. Buckley. He would say to you that America First is not even populist... but nationalist.
Henry Olsen would say that populist conservatism is consistent with a Reaganesque commitment to prudence.
Roger Kimball may be way closer then those people above. Populist conservatism presses the question of who rules. And for populists, the proper answer to that question is never the nation’s managerial elite per se, but rather the people as a whole, through their elected representatives. In this sense populism is precisely the opposite of authoritarian or undemocratic. In fact it is very.... Republic like.
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Trump is running, and has run, to the left of DeSantis on social issues
Nope. He got rid of the obama trans bathroom policy first thing. He's already called for them to be removed from women sports....etc
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Don't fall for these closet commies' bull shite.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:18 pm to Pettifogger
TomPettiFogger
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
This is a poster who is having an intelligent conversation that's not in Trump's corner (not sying you are against him either).
Thank you.
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Illegal immigration - I've never actually seen an economic breakdown of Trump's efforts at the border. Did it help?
Yes. It actually helped in the Black communities alot.
Side note. P Ryan and the GOPE do not want it stopped. The GOPE in Idaho is requesting that Biden allow more in ( And to aprove amnesty).
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Fixing trade and taxes - is a bit of a generalization, but trade tariffs against China haven't really seemed to help. China needs to have MFN status revoked. Trump never addressed that. He gets credit for updating NAFTA. Other than that, he didn't really make a whole lot of deals like I thought he would've.
Actually, he did alot. The biggest is that now 75% of American want China cut off from the USA in trade. So the waking up now has the support.
Next His tariff plan started a cascade of businesses moving from China.
Trump is all about removing the MFN status.
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I'm not sure to what you refer here, I'm told that the military is filled with just a bunch of queers and no one is scared of it.
Yep. There are alot of issues with it. Some addressed. Here is the issue. It will take years to undo all of the damage and no 1 president will get it all addressed. It's why we all had high hopes for DeSantis being decoupled from the RINOs. We need generations of Presidents putting America First and removing the woke socialist agenda.
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We spent trillion over seas in never ending wars. - Trump contributed to that.
No he did not. He ended them.
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the 2007-08 budget was, I think, the last budget passed and signed.
Has little to do with my point. This is where the check and balances have to happen. A Convention of the States needs to take place to FORCE that into law.
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more importantly he badgered the Fed to cut the rate while the economy was in a period of growth. That indicates either a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of the Federal Reserve, or just pure narcissism.
Dec 20, 2018 +25 2.25% to 2.50%
Sept. 27, 2018 +25 2.0% to 2.25%
Jun. 14, 2018 +25 1.75% to 2.0%
March 22, 2018 +25 1.50% to 1.75%
Dec. 14, 2017 +25 1.25% to 1.50%
June 15, 2017 +25 1.00% to 1.25%
March 16, 2017 +25 0.75% to 1.00%
Dec. 15, 2016 +25 0.5% to 0.75%
In 2019, the U.S. and Chinese were in conflict over trade—a so-called “trade war”—and the Fed was concerned that the conflict would harm the economy and push up unemployment rates. Three modest rate cuts in the second half of 2019 had a positive effect on the economy.
They Lowered it by a total of -75 in all of 2019.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:47 pm to Lou Pai
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He actually gave more than a dime to Trump's PAC in 2018. How about ten million of them? Dumb cuck.
1- Trump did not run in 2018.
2- LOL... Which one of those 11 pacs were Trumps?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:49 pm to frogtown
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I put conservatism over populism and it is not close.
This statement is not getting you guys anywhere.
You can't understand the simple fact of it.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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rational human being.
That's not exactly a characteristic of a politician. They are never rational and often swayed on matters in a way that looks to be random to their constituents.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:40 pm to Jjdoc
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This statement is not getting you guys anywhere.
You can't understand the simple fact of it.
Your version of what you call populist conservatism is "some" cultural and socio conservatism but economically you are statists. You believe in the state.
"Economically" I want to get as far from statism as possible. This is where I put the most weight when defining conservatism.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:43 pm to frogtown
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Your version of what you call populist conservatism is "some" cultural and socio conservatism but economically you are statists. You believe in the state.
That's simply false.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:45 pm to Jjdoc
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That's simply false.
Who is Kimball? Is he an economist? Or is he more like you?
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:53 pm to Jjdoc
It's not "Never Trump." A lot of us already voted for him twice. But he has that loser stink on him now. BDR or bust. Your choice.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:28 pm to jlc05
That’s what Paul Ryan is hoping atleast
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