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re: Why has mental health declined so much over the years?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:24 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:24 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Survival has become too easy and people have too much time to ponder life and their own happiness.
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:25 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Somewhere along the line, we made being a victim of some sort, a goal that is to be rewarded. Having mental health issues is automatic victimhood so many people claim it, honestly or not, to get their prize.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:25 pm to Duffnshank
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I don’t think we were designed to live the lives most of us are living nowadays
Society in general is toxic
God intended for us to live in caves and settle our disagreements with clubs to the head
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:26 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Has it really declined or has our ability to recognize it and accept that it’s a reality changed?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:26 pm to SaintlyTiger88
A good bit of it is attention seeking. Celebrities, especially "Rappers", glorify conditions like anxiety and medication like Xanax. I feel like mental health hasn't declined per-se, moreso been destigmatized and even worn almost as a very sad badge of honor to some that are attention-whores.
However, there's definitely some benefits to this conversation as well. For example, I definitely would encourage any Man/Husband/Father that is struggling to seek out a professional to talk to, rather than hit the bottle every day like they used to do back in Paw Paw's day. I don't feel at all that taking care of yourself should be viewed as "weak".
All of that being said, if you go to seek help and the Doctor immediately as a first step just wants to place you on medication...I highly HIGHLY encourage you to seek a second opinion.
Ehhh....divorce wasn't common either. If Granny was unhappy that Paw Paw beat the frick out of her every night for burning dinner, she just took it.
Agreed. Humans weren't meant to sit behind a desk and stare at a screen for 8-12 hours straight, all day everyday. There's just zero chance our brains have evolved quick enough to facilitate that type of lifestyle. The world would be a MUCH better place if everyone took the time to disconnect, turn off the screens and television for a few hours, and get outside and enjoy the world as we were intended to.
However, there's definitely some benefits to this conversation as well. For example, I definitely would encourage any Man/Husband/Father that is struggling to seek out a professional to talk to, rather than hit the bottle every day like they used to do back in Paw Paw's day. I don't feel at all that taking care of yourself should be viewed as "weak".
All of that being said, if you go to seek help and the Doctor immediately as a first step just wants to place you on medication...I highly HIGHLY encourage you to seek a second opinion.
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For example, think back to our grandparents era, say the 1940’s. Obviously antidepressants didn’t exist back then.
Ehhh....divorce wasn't common either. If Granny was unhappy that Paw Paw beat the frick out of her every night for burning dinner, she just took it.
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I don’t think we were designed to live the lives most of us are living nowadays
Agreed. Humans weren't meant to sit behind a desk and stare at a screen for 8-12 hours straight, all day everyday. There's just zero chance our brains have evolved quick enough to facilitate that type of lifestyle. The world would be a MUCH better place if everyone took the time to disconnect, turn off the screens and television for a few hours, and get outside and enjoy the world as we were intended to.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:27 pm to Northshore Aggie
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24/7 news cycle + social media and the eternal quest for likes
I’ll agree that’s part of it, but I’m thinking the bulk of it is that we politicized mental health (once one side realized that was an untapped easily influenced voting group), we got rid of the majority of our asylums, then we started cheering on the “acceptance” of alternative/crazy thoughts and lifestyles.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:27 pm to SaintlyTiger88
The first part of your question is that people are way too connected and invested in the image of other people. Social media allows for the careful crafting of a public image by pretty much everyone. People can't help but judge their lives against the perceived lives if others. Couple that with the fact that most people simply cannot unplug, ignore it, and live their own life. That leads to depression and anxiety at levels we have never seen.
To the second part, as to why mental health issue are so prevalent, we have neglected treatment and management. We have gutted public mental healthcare in this country, shifting it to the private sector that is out of reach for far too many people. Treatment just isn't accessible. What is left of the public care is swamped, and it takes way too long to get issues addressed.
The result of that is the burden of the mentally ill has now fallen, by and large, on local law enforcement. They are not trained, nor equipped to handle it.
Of course, as evidenced by going from general depression and anxiety in my first paragraph to more serious matters in the last, there is a significant spectrum of mental health having to be dealt with.
To the second part, as to why mental health issue are so prevalent, we have neglected treatment and management. We have gutted public mental healthcare in this country, shifting it to the private sector that is out of reach for far too many people. Treatment just isn't accessible. What is left of the public care is swamped, and it takes way too long to get issues addressed.
The result of that is the burden of the mentally ill has now fallen, by and large, on local law enforcement. They are not trained, nor equipped to handle it.
Of course, as evidenced by going from general depression and anxiety in my first paragraph to more serious matters in the last, there is a significant spectrum of mental health having to be dealt with.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:27 pm to SaintlyTiger88
1. "Mental health" has become a catch-all term for everything from a complete psychotic break to just being bummed on a rainy day.
2. Older generations were brought up with more of the attitude of either burying it or letting it go. What a lot of modern psychology is about today is constantly re-living and re-hashing events in an effort to move beyond them.
3. Social media on two fronts:
A. Attention whoring - there are multitudes of accounts where people look like they are living these glamorous lives with nothing but constant adulation. Young and impressionable kids take them seriously enough to mimic them, but then get confused/aggravated that their lives aren't that way.
B. Normalizes and supports obnoxious behavior as normal, this contradicts much of the real world where obnoxious behavior is more likely to create negative reactions.
4. Lack of working in a coal mine. We laughed about this thread, but there is a nugget of truth in that too much idle time can lead to more problems than it can fix.
5. Too many medical professionals are too quick to prescribe medication to address behavior issues before prescribing a belt, taking away phones/computers, giving kids chores, etc. These kids then grow up continuing these behaviors.
6. Over-abuse of drugs (weed, opioids, etc).
2. Older generations were brought up with more of the attitude of either burying it or letting it go. What a lot of modern psychology is about today is constantly re-living and re-hashing events in an effort to move beyond them.
3. Social media on two fronts:
A. Attention whoring - there are multitudes of accounts where people look like they are living these glamorous lives with nothing but constant adulation. Young and impressionable kids take them seriously enough to mimic them, but then get confused/aggravated that their lives aren't that way.
B. Normalizes and supports obnoxious behavior as normal, this contradicts much of the real world where obnoxious behavior is more likely to create negative reactions.
4. Lack of working in a coal mine. We laughed about this thread, but there is a nugget of truth in that too much idle time can lead to more problems than it can fix.
5. Too many medical professionals are too quick to prescribe medication to address behavior issues before prescribing a belt, taking away phones/computers, giving kids chores, etc. These kids then grow up continuing these behaviors.
6. Over-abuse of drugs (weed, opioids, etc).
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:27 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Victimhood is cool now
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:28 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Improving nutrition have made younger folks a lot smarter than folks back in the day and there's a high correlation to intelligence and depression.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I could make a really, really long post about this but I'll try to keep it concise.
- Social media in regular, sustained dosed is detrimental to everyone's mental health. For kids, it has replaced a lot of in-person interaction (even before COVID) and it's terribly unhealthy. As a result, people are not learning how to appropriately socialize and just how to interact with people in general.
- This can tie into social media, but people are not learning appropriate emotional regulation. I think you see this at both ends of the spectrum, with either parents flat out neglecting kids with no real consequence as well as parents who helicopter the frick out of their kids and they never learn how to self-soothe.
- A combination of a greater awareness of mental health issues as well as coverage of mental health services under insurances has led to greater access and awareness, which is a good thing in itself.
- I recently had a friend who worked for a year in Spain and talked about the insane pace we push ourselves in America (not just at work but socially as well). For my grandparents, while they worked, life was slower. A better standard of living was more easily attainable. I think our way of life can definitely contribute to a greater level of stress.
- Social media in regular, sustained dosed is detrimental to everyone's mental health. For kids, it has replaced a lot of in-person interaction (even before COVID) and it's terribly unhealthy. As a result, people are not learning how to appropriately socialize and just how to interact with people in general.
- This can tie into social media, but people are not learning appropriate emotional regulation. I think you see this at both ends of the spectrum, with either parents flat out neglecting kids with no real consequence as well as parents who helicopter the frick out of their kids and they never learn how to self-soothe.
- A combination of a greater awareness of mental health issues as well as coverage of mental health services under insurances has led to greater access and awareness, which is a good thing in itself.
- I recently had a friend who worked for a year in Spain and talked about the insane pace we push ourselves in America (not just at work but socially as well). For my grandparents, while they worked, life was slower. A better standard of living was more easily attainable. I think our way of life can definitely contribute to a greater level of stress.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:31 pm to Bard
It’s lifestyle and food. Sitting in front of your desk eating chips and sugar all day to get your dopamine instead of sunlight and lifting shite is part of the issue.
Also, you don’t have to worry about survival so now your wife is worrying about the size of the SUV the count down the street has.
Also, you don’t have to worry about survival so now your wife is worrying about the size of the SUV the count down the street has.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:32 pm to SaintlyTiger88
1. We don’t lock our crazy people up anymore.
2. Our media celebrates mental illness
3. Our culture no punishes non-conforming behaviors that are toxic to society
4. Soft on crime judges and DA’s have made the courts a revolving door of repeat offenders who never serve hard time.
5. Drug addiction destroy mental health, and we have more addicts than ever.
6. Children are prescribed ADD and ADHD medications at a young age with little research into potential long term side-effects
7. We’re much better at diagnosing mental illnesses, and patience feel much less stigma about talking about seeking treatments.
8. WOKE ideology is cancerous to mental health as it teaches people that they are helpless victims and that everyone else hates them and are oppressors. That sort of indoctrinated hatred can really damage a person’s psyche.
9. Global Warming Alarmist propaganda tells children that the death of human civilization is imminent, that evil corporations are killing us all for short term dollars, and that there’s nothing we can really do about it short of sacrificing all of the trappings of modern civilization to survive. Children grow up and mature into a world where they feel they have no future, thus nothing they do matters. That’s really damaging.
10. COVID protocols locked people down and conditioned them to isolation. This has left an entire generation almost completely socially stunted with few irl friends and no social skills to make them. As a result, the common social processes that tend to drive civilization (work to make money, money to impress mate, mate to procreate, indoctrinate child so it can make money) are breaking down as this generation basically sees no purpose for procreation, has no ability to impress mates in person, and thus has no desire to make money beyond basic survival. Once again, the drafonian measures of COVID were intensely damaging.
11. Social media is gaslighting people into depression and mental illness in order to addict them to spending time on social media. In addition, social media has largely replaced in-person social groups. Kids and young adults don’t have strong civic organizations, church groups, in-person friend groups, hobby groups, etc to the same extent as previous generations. They’re physically isolated, and social media conspires to keep them that way.
12. People are rewarded for claiming mental illness by our government entitlement programs and schools
2. Our media celebrates mental illness
3. Our culture no punishes non-conforming behaviors that are toxic to society
4. Soft on crime judges and DA’s have made the courts a revolving door of repeat offenders who never serve hard time.
5. Drug addiction destroy mental health, and we have more addicts than ever.
6. Children are prescribed ADD and ADHD medications at a young age with little research into potential long term side-effects
7. We’re much better at diagnosing mental illnesses, and patience feel much less stigma about talking about seeking treatments.
8. WOKE ideology is cancerous to mental health as it teaches people that they are helpless victims and that everyone else hates them and are oppressors. That sort of indoctrinated hatred can really damage a person’s psyche.
9. Global Warming Alarmist propaganda tells children that the death of human civilization is imminent, that evil corporations are killing us all for short term dollars, and that there’s nothing we can really do about it short of sacrificing all of the trappings of modern civilization to survive. Children grow up and mature into a world where they feel they have no future, thus nothing they do matters. That’s really damaging.
10. COVID protocols locked people down and conditioned them to isolation. This has left an entire generation almost completely socially stunted with few irl friends and no social skills to make them. As a result, the common social processes that tend to drive civilization (work to make money, money to impress mate, mate to procreate, indoctrinate child so it can make money) are breaking down as this generation basically sees no purpose for procreation, has no ability to impress mates in person, and thus has no desire to make money beyond basic survival. Once again, the drafonian measures of COVID were intensely damaging.
11. Social media is gaslighting people into depression and mental illness in order to addict them to spending time on social media. In addition, social media has largely replaced in-person social groups. Kids and young adults don’t have strong civic organizations, church groups, in-person friend groups, hobby groups, etc to the same extent as previous generations. They’re physically isolated, and social media conspires to keep them that way.
12. People are rewarded for claiming mental illness by our government entitlement programs and schools
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:33 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Do you feel like mental health struggles are just a lot more amplified today because it is so much out in the open?
We fricking pander to everyone who claims to have mental health problems instead of telling them to suck it up. We also indoctrinate people to believe they have problems when they don’t. I truly don’t believe it’s as prevalent as we’re told. But many people claim to be a “victim” and thus we must treat them as such. There’s
Money to be made off of them as well.
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think back to our grandparents era, say the 1940’s. Obviously antidepressants didn’t exist back then. I know the field of psychology was around, but did people during that time have therapy options like we do today?
for the most part those people were too busy making a living and raising families to have time for depression. And if they did, they sucked it up and lived with it quietly instead of treating it. And no one really gave a shite anyway.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:34 pm to SaintlyTiger88
May be that:
1. We are just more aware of mental health issues.
2. We are more comfortable admitting to metal health issues and seeking treatment.
3. We have more healthcare professionals than we’ve ever had who can diagnose mental health issues.
1. We are just more aware of mental health issues.
2. We are more comfortable admitting to metal health issues and seeking treatment.
3. We have more healthcare professionals than we’ve ever had who can diagnose mental health issues.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:35 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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I’ll agree that’s part of it, but I’m thinking the bulk of it is that we politicized mental health (once one side realized that was an untapped easily influenced voting group), we got rid of the majority of our asylums, then we started cheering on the “acceptance” of alternative/crazy thoughts and lifestyles.
i agree 100%. the 24/7 news cycle and social media stuff is an amplifier for what you're saying. but that goes for many topics really, one side realizes they can easily influence a voting group (usually the emotional folks on the left), and they use CNN and SM.
but yes, you're absolutely right.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:36 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Democrats won't treat it because they will become conservative
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:42 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Because mental health issues are whatever someone (usually with a vested financial interest in the diagnoses) says they are. A mother is too lazy to properly parent her child? No problem! Just get him diagnosed with some "hyperactivity disorder" and drug him up. George has been arrested 27 times in 10 years? It's not because George is an a-hole. He has a mental health issues. The entire industry is a snake-oil operation.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:45 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Do you feel like mental health struggles are just a lot more amplified today because it is so much out in the open?
Yes.
People haven't changed. Society and perception has. "Mental health" issues have always existed. It's just that 30, 40, 50+ years ago very few were "open" with those issues. You were having struggles? So what! Everybody does. Get over it and quit whining. That was the general attitude.
There is less of a stigma today for those with mental health issues. That's a good thing because it allow those truly with mental health issues the comfort to seek help without fear of being "punished" for it.
But that openness has also created a group of who endeavor to be "victims" and absolve themselves of personal accountability for their struggles by attributing their problems to "mental health issues".
The number of people (proportionally) who truly have mental health issues is probably the same as it was decades ago. It just that they were likely under-diagnosed then, whereas they are over-diagnosed today.
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