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McMahon was hired within days of Todd Golden, who was hire by Florida. McMahon had the better season than Golden and actually beat Golden in the NCAA Tournament.

The hire, on paper, wasn’t bad. But the problem his Woodward never looked beyond the paper to evaluate if the hire was the right fit at the right time in a changing era of college sports.

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 8:28 pm to
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Have McMahon retool his staff and give him more NIL money for better players.



If your HC is so bad that you have to spend even more money just to overcome the HC’s deficiencies perhaps the better use of funds would be to just get rid of the HC.

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IMO if Reid and Thomas had not gotten injured, LSU would be a 500 club in the SEC.


Yes, because MM has such a great record of success at LSU. I guess that’s why he’s the SEC leader in moral victories and hypothetical success.

The guy has sucked at a league worst level for four years. Yet we still have people trying to attribute that to everything except MM just being a bad HC

re: NIL needs to change…my suggestion

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 6:38 pm to
Yes, in a world where every other school is offering non-incentive based NIL I’m sure LSU doing so would attract the the best talent
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Gonna be some seriously pissed off fans when MM is back as the HC next season.


Most fans moved past the anger stage long ago. This is the apathy stage.

If LSU retains MM for next season then it will be unequivocally telling the fans it doesn’t care about the basketball program…so why should the fans?
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Reece losing his cool


At least someone is.
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He’s never really been the change it up sort of guy. Or the play the young talented players sort of guy either


Which is why he’s never been the win games in the SEC guy either
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He still wants to win.


Well then it might be worth a shot to change things up because if he “still wants to win” then it is abundantly clear what he is doing isn’t the way to accomplish that.
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After watching him, it seems evident he isn’t quite there on defense yet. Which would be my assumption as to why he doesn’t play much.


You’re the worst team in the league. What’s the disadvantage of trying something different? That you lose?

Guess what? You’re already pretty good at that by playing the way you want to play
The offense should run through McKinnon. Not only is he LSU’s best scorer, but he’s LSU’s best decision maker. Reese just pounds the ball into the floor with no real plan

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 12:55 pm to
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Honest to God a fifth grader should be able to piece together how and why Wade would come back to LSU


You’re dealing with people whose deductive reasoning skills are far lower than your average 5th grader….even LA public school 5th graders

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 12:51 pm to
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He won’t get poached by LSU. Daddy Warbucks is eyeing Travis Steele.


Then Daddy Warbucks needs to be put in a home if he thinks the guy who demolished a really good Xavier program after 2 decades of success is a good idea.

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 12:46 pm to
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Exactly

Why the frick would he come back?


The fans and donors didn’t treat him poorly. And the “LSU” that treated him poorly isn’t the LSU of today. In fact, just the opposite. LSU’s president was McNeese’s president last year and the chairman of LSU’s BOS was a big donor to Wade at McNeese

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 12:40 pm to
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LSU has no Basketball history or credibility


LSU has as many Final Four appearances as NC State

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He’s got a top 5 job in what is probably the top basketball conference.


NC State’s average finish in the ACC since 2000 is 8th. And the ACC hasn’t been the “top basketball conference” in years.

You could have saved yourself the trouble by simply saying “I know nothing about college basketball” rather than proving it with your post

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 12:36 pm to
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He might or might not come back but this isn’t evidence of anything. Only a complete dumbass would run down their current employer


The president who fired him and refused to entertain the idea of a return is gone. He’s been replaced by the president at Wade‘s former school, who is very much in favor of Wade.

The A.D. who fired him and refused to entertain the thought of a reunion is gone. He was forced out by the governor who was also part of a political push to bring Wade. back to LSU last spring.

That push was led by a member of the LSU board of supervisors. That member was recently appointed by the governor as chairman of the board of supervisors.

I’m not, nor have I ever predicted that Wade would return to LSU. But there is NO impediment from the LSU administration to a return

re: Wade is never coming back

Posted by Alt26 on 2/21/26 at 11:53 am to
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Glad my other school landed him though. Hope LSU lands a good coach soon but don't think I have to worry about Wade getting poached. Geaux Wolfpack


They love him so much that they are paying him LESS than LSU is paying the worst coach in the SEC

He’s getting a significant raise in about a month. It’s just a matter of who is going to give it to him. He’s not going to stay at NC State earning the equivalent of the SEC minimum wage
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LSU vs Alabama under McMahon:
73-80
92-109
88-109
69-79
66-106

So we've kept it within 7.5 once


And that was LSU's best defensive team...which this one isn't. It would be surprising if Alabama doesn't score at least 90

I want LSU to win. I really do. But LSU has lost its last 3 home games by an average of 19 point...and that's only because the opponent relaxed and allowed LSU some garbage points at the end.
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People can hate on NOLA all they want, but every NFLer raves about NOLA as a host city.


There is a reason NOLA has hosted 11 Super Bowls.

There is a high probability of warm weather in late January/early February. The stadium, which has as roof, is centrally located in the city to most of the hotels and the entertainment area (unlike Miami, LA, Pheonix, etc). Tourism is a big aspect of the city and, for all of the things NOLA does poorly, large crowd control generally isn't one of them.

Outside of maybe Las Vegas, NOLA is the only host city where a fan could stay, eat, drink, party, and attend the game without having to leave a roughly 10-15 block radius
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aybe if we give your idol another 3 seasons, he might be able to crack a 27% conference winning percentage!


I think it would be more likely he'd crack the 15% conference winning % threshold...in the wrong direction.

Now, to be fair, there have been several SEC HCs over the last 25 year who were bad enough to equal MM's lack of success. The only difference was their employer weren't dumb enough to let the losing go on for 4+ years.
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But I'm hearing that Verge doesn't feel that donors are up for another big ramp up other than the obvious increase in NIL.


Then LSU might have the dumbest collection of donors on the planet. Their plan is to invest a LARGER amount money into a failed coach? Hey donors...I have some great Blockbuster Video stock to sell if you are interested.


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And the other argument is that if Jalen Reed and Thomas stayed healthy we would be in the middle of the SEC right now and be in the tournament.



LSU went 0-3 in the games Thomas was in the lineup. And the meteoric rise in quality for Reed by doing NOTHING more than being injured is ridiculous as it is illogical. Before his injury last season Reed was NEVER a consistently good player. He was always a player who was capable of big performances, but could never maintain that level. That was the case even in the 7 games last year before he got hurt. Yet, he gets injured and somehow he's elevated to the lost lynchpin to greatness.

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I see what a difference Thomas makes when he is healthy


Based on what, exactly? LSU played two games against quality opponents in the non-conf. schedule. They were blasted by Texas Tech and had a good game vs. SMU. Thomas was also in the line up when LSU had to go to OT to beat an awful BC team and had to fight tooth and nail to beat Praire View. With Thomas in the lineup this season against quality opponents LSU is 1-5

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Any new coach is going to want more committed than what was given this season.


That's not necessarily true...if you believe that LSU increased its NIL spending this year....which was last year's excuse du jour to explain yet another shitty performance by McMahon.

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Even the most robust estimate of what LSU spent on their roster was $9 million. For comparison, Kentucky allegedly spent $22 million on their roster. We have a long way to go to even be competitive with top SEC schools.


A&M has new coach this season they hired from Samford. I don't know the exact figure A&M spent on its basketball team this season, but I'm quite confident it wasn't anywhere close to $22M. The current standings:

Kentucky: 17-9 (8-5)
A&M: 18-8 (8-5) *And by the way, A&M didn't have a single scholarship player from last year return to this roster.

The point is massive NIL spending doesn't provide a huge advantage if you have an inferior coach. For example, I doubt Auburn, after making it to the Final Four last season and for the second time in 7 years suddenly stopped giving a damn a about basketball. Yet, Bruce Pearl leaves and Auburn currently sits at 14-12 (5-8). Oh, an whatever money Auburn donors spent to build this roster it would have already been spent by the time Pearl retired in September.

Having a great HC is THE difference. END.OF.STORY. Which is why the constant excuse making and rationalizing for the worst HC at LSU in any sport this century, maybe any century, is mind blowing. I've resisted the argument that "LSU just doesn't care about MBB." But if LSU retains MM for another season, then that argument will unequivocally prove true. Hell, the fact that there is even a discussion that LSU might retain McMahon is insane.

Give me LSU with a solid HC and a mid-tier NIL budget over McMahon with an NIL budget the equivalent of the Knicks payroll.
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They finished in the top half of the league two years ago


LSU finished tied with A&M in the standings, which I guess technically put them at 7th...which would be dead in the middle of a (then 14 team league. However, once tie-breakers were factored in, LSU was the 8th seed in the SECT...which would put them in the bottom half of the league.

Regardless, even that SEC record didn't have LSU in consideration for the NCAA Tournament. Mississippi State, who finished behind LSU in the standings, made the NCAAT as an 8 seed. In fact, Ole Miss, who finished two games behind LSU in the SEC was AHEAD of LSU in the postseason pecking order. Ole Miss declining the NIT bid was what opened the door for LSU to get it. MM's greatest "success" was the equivalent of a participation trophy because the NIT was FORCED (by its rules) to take two SEC teams.

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We arent a basketball school. We are a baseball school who occasionally wins big in Football.

Its the truth, and a hard one to swallow, and Im okay with never winning another basketball game ever again if we can continue winning baseball games and bring the football program to an actual elite level.


What the hell does this even mean? That LSU can't ever be consistently good in any sport because "LSU" has decided it can only be good in baseball? LSU was NEVER a "baseball school"...until it was. What made that the case was LSU got fortunate in hiring the right head coach, Bertman. It's wasn't like administration decided one day in 1984 "the hell with the other sports. We are going to sink a ton of money into baseball because we want to be really good." The success came because LSU found the right HC. The exact same thing happened in basketball a few years before.

The right HC generates success, which generates interest. That is the case in EVERY sport. LSU is not a "baseball school" or a "basketball school", or a "football school". It's a "WHATEVER IS WINNING school". Right now LSU basketball is not winning because it has a poor HC. But that doesn't mean LSU can't ever be a great basketball program.

A great example of that will be on display in the PMAC tomorrow. Alabama was never a "basketball school". Hell, LSU, historically, was more of a "basketball school". Then, Alabama hires a HC from Buffalo. He wins the league in his second season. Since that time Alabama has been to the NCAAT every year, reaching at least the Sweet 16 four of the last five year, including the Final Four two years ago for the first time in school history. That wasn't because Alabama was historically a "basketball school" or that the school decided out of the blue it wanted to be a "basketball school." It's simply because Alabama made the right HC hire...ALL of the success and interest has flowed from that single decision.

Saying LSU is a "baseball school" or a "football school" or "(insert sport here) school" and, thus, can't have a good basketball program is both simplistic and stupid.