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re: What do you people have against solar farms?

Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34529 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Solar farms suck up all the solar energy in the area which causes wide spread crop failures and below freezing temperatures near the solar farms year round.

Texas A&M published a scientific study on the science of this phenomena several years ago...


I'd love to see the journal citation.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29899 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:43 pm to
I'm going to need a link. The only thing I'mfinding is A&M trying to combine farming and solar - Agrivoltaics. LINK
Posted by beulahland
Little D'arbonne
Member since Jan 2013
4074 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:43 pm to
More cost effective to drill.
Posted by Piebald Panther
Member since Aug 2020
651 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:44 pm to
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They are trying to take away good farmland in other parts of the state. There’s plenty of idle land in BFE they can use. It makes no sense.


Farmland is usually flat and clear. The cost to develop it is lower than hilly pine trees. There's also a limit on the slope angle the panel can be installed on.



Posted by Mumbler
Emerald Coast
Member since Aug 2021
303 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:46 pm to
Do it with ZERO subsidies and zero incentives … then I won’t give a shite.
Posted by Corriente Kid
Central Texas
Member since Aug 2021
706 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:50 pm to
The most pushback I have seen where I live are due to the tax abatements these solar and wind farms receive. Land/homeowners get quite upset when they get a 10 year tax abatement while they still have to pay their taxes. Additionally, citizens get pissed off because these renewable energy sources receive federal tax subsidies/credits. Those subsidies are paid by those who actually pay taxes.

Another problem with renewable energy is that due to the subsidies, thermal generation (gas or coal) can't compete so very few new plants are being built. The result is not sufficient capacity to cover peak demand. For instance, at the height of the renewable subsidies under Obama, a windfarm could remain profitable at -$1 mWh prices because the subsidies were worth $20+ mWh. Wind and sun aren't reliable energy sources during peak times.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37053 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:51 pm to
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Do it with ZERO subsidies and zero incentives … then I won’t give a shite.


Bingo. They're ugly, expensive boondoggles that are inconsistent creators of energy and easily damaged.

The answer to clean energy is easy...it's nuclear, but that solves the problem too well. And we can't have that because the rest of the social bullshite and grifting that comes with this "climate action" needs a vessel.
Posted by Toss_Dive
Member since Jul 2022
285 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:52 pm to
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Solar farms suck up all the solar energy in the area which causes wide spread crop failures and below freezing temperatures near the solar farms year round.


This is very wrong
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134915 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:52 pm to
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I'm going to need a link.


Posted by ruzil
WNC
Member since Feb 2012
18381 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:53 pm to
I drove from BR to Jacksonville last weekend and there were tons of solar farms near Tallahassee that were under water due to that storm that passed through.

I wonder how that worked out for them
Posted by White Bear
probably
Member since Jul 2014
17637 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:53 pm to
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What do you people have against solar farms?
Sun don’t shine at night, hoss.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173738 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:53 pm to
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They are hideous

I'm not saying they're gorgeous by any stretch but the claim that they're hideous is just silly.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37053 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:56 pm to
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Another problem with renewable energy is that due to the subsidies, thermal generation (gas or coal) can't compete so very few new plants are being built.


Greta rejoices.

Meanwhile...

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China accounted for 95% of the world’s new coal power construction activity in 2023, according to the latest annual report from Global Energy Monitor (GEM).


quote:

China’s 70.2GW of new construction getting underway in 2023 represents 19-times more than the rest of the world’s 3.7GW. As the figure below highlights, the country’s trajectory (red line) is diverging significantly from the rest of the world (orange line).

The level of new construction starting in China is nearly quadruple what it was in 2019, when the country hit a nine-year annual low of entirely new coal power stations starting.


But China gets a free pass, and it has to be by design at this point.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:57 pm to
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How come they ain't pushing to cover parking lots with these instead of farmland?


Excellent point. Population centers with demand vs rural. Shaded parking sold at a premium with charging ability in every slot. Win win.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20845 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:01 pm to
They are being put in a finite resource which is arable land. Some very productive delta farm dirt has been put into solar. Put them in parking lots, on warehouses, high-rises etc. Don't go clear cut CO2 reducing woods to stick it in inefficient solar. That and quit subsidizing the shite out of it with my tax dollars.
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
311 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:12 pm to
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From what I understand this might be different from other companies, but the company locally after 30 years picks up and leaves the solar panels out there for the landowner to dispose of. Like I said other companies might be different.


A decomissioning bond is in place for life of the project and utilized at end to remove everything at no cost to landowner.

these deals are ground leases, walmart could say they want to build a store and it is the same type of contract / lease

I bet a lot of people don't like others telling them what to do with their personal land/property but have no problem telling these land owners what to do with theirs
Posted by FCP
Delta State Univ. - Fightin' Okra
Member since Sep 2010
5172 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:12 pm to
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I wouldnt want one next to my land
Think they look hideous, and it bothers me that places like the LSU Ag Center in Franklinton are now covered with the damn things. BUT, I'd take a field full of those over a subdivision or apartments or whatever. Dual benefit of tying up the land long term and keeping more people from living nearby.

Somewhat related: I really, really enjoy taking an unobserved piss off my home's back porch.
Posted by Fencepimp
Brusly
Member since Jun 2022
1177 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:14 pm to
I would rather eat food from fertile soil and support the farms, than line greedy dims pockets
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40230 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:18 pm to
Do you like to eat??
Posted by Chingon Ag
Member since Nov 2018
4130 posts
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:19 pm to
Waste of taxpayer funds, harms natural rangeland/ecosystems, and sometimes removes acreage from farmland production.
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